primitives discuss holding onto Senate seats

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028578253

Oh my.

CK_John (8,897 posts)     Wed Feb 1, 2017, 12:56 PM

How many of the 10 Senate seats will we hold in 2018?
 
IMO, We will be lucky to save 4.

<<<am pretty sure the Czech primitive's referring to the ten seats considered vulnerable, as the Democrats have a lot more than that coming up for election in 2018.

The_Voice_of_Reason (180 posts)     Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:05 PM

1. If we don't stop fighting among ourselves...
 
If Democrats vote, rather than sit home we win. Problem is, we are a fractured party, are wasting precious time and resources fighting with each other over who should control the party, or get what seat at the table, and if we don't stop this and get to work on what is really important, we will lose all ten seats.

treestar (66,761 posts)     Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:06 PM

2. Exactly and stop what the OP is doing
 
Say we are keeping all ten and gaining more and go from there.

^^^apparently doesn't care for the Czech primitive.

Big Blue Marble (3,465 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:12 PM

4. Why are you making such negative predictions.
 
If ACLU can raise 24 million dollars in one week, how much do you think we can
raise to fight for these seats and more. You will see election cycle like none you have
ever seen Do not use the past to predict the future. 

^^^apparently doesn't care for the Czech primitive either.

CK_John (8,897 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:20 PM

8. That's what got here in the first place. LaLa everything is fine.
 
It will be 2036 before the DEM control the Senate and 2048 before there is a DEM POTUS. That is what I think.

From the Czech primitive's lips to God's ears, or however the old plea goes.

Big Blue Marble (3,465 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:26 PM

12. No one is saying everything is fine.
 
Are you tone deaf?

^^^likes the Czech primitive even less now.

JustAnotherGen (22,831 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:16 PM

6. Too soon to predict
 
If the Republicans impact SS, Medicare, and Public Education in a way that impacts the midwest mad moms in minivans - voting for Democratics to undo that stupidity will be a 'thing'.

athena (2,885 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:18 PM

7. None if we don't get off our a**es and do something.
 
We lose every time because we'd rather fight among ourselves online than go out there and make calls and knock on doors during off-years.

StevieM (5,160 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:21 PM

10. We will be fine in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. The media is declaring them vulnerable
 
based on nothing.

The GOP barely got a win in those states, even after the FBI rigged the election by lying to the American people and abusing their power.

Michigan and Wisconsin have extremely unpopular Republican governors who have badly damaged the GOP brand there--and Trump isn't well-liked either.

Florida was also a narrow Republican win in 2016 and Bill Nelson is not considered vulnerable.

So we are not talking about 10 seats, we are talking about 6 that we need to save, at most.

Sherrod Brown is popular in Ohio. His likely GOP opponent is an idiot who he beat in 2012. And he is known as protectionist on trade, so that covers him with some Trump voters.

There are 5 Senate seats in deep red states: Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Missouri, and West Virginia.

We nearly won Missouri this time, and would have if Comey had not intervened. So the state is winnable. West Virginia just elected a Democratic governor. Tester has good standing on Montana. Indiana has been known to elect Democrats, and Pence's policies left his very unpopular in the state. North Dakota may be the hardest of all, although they do have a history of embracing populist Democrats like Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan.

We also have a shot at winning a seat in Nevada. And Jeff Flake may lose his primary in Arizona. That makes the state winnable for the Dems. We would have carried it in the 2016 presidential election had it not been for the Comey intervention.

Worst case scenario the Republicans pick up 3 seats. More likely they pick up 1 or 0.

MFM008 (8,243 posts)    Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:48 PM 

14. By 2018
 
Things may be very different.

There may be a vigorous backlash again maggot.

We will see.....IF he's still in office.

^^^yes, that's right.

Remember franksolich's First Rule of Everything: anything can happen, and usually does.

Too bad the primitives didn't think about that a few months ago; I said it often enough.

<<<doubts the primitives will listen to franksolich this time around too.

[Carl]

StevieM (5,160 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:21 PM

10. We will be fine in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. The media is declaring them vulnerable
 
based on nothing.

The GOP barely got a win in those states, even after the FBI rigged the election by lying to the American people and abusing their power.

Michigan and Wisconsin have extremely unpopular Republican governors who have badly damaged the GOP brand there--and Trump isn't well-liked either.

Florida was also a narrow Republican win in 2016 and Bill Nelson is not considered vulnerable.

So we are not talking about 10 seats, we are talking about 6 that we need to save, at most.

Sherrod Brown is popular in Ohio. His likely GOP opponent is an idiot who he beat in 2012. And he is known as protectionist on trade, so that covers him with some Trump voters.

There are 5 Senate seats in deep red states: Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Missouri, and West Virginia.

We nearly won Missouri this time, and would have if Comey had not intervened. So the state is winnable. West Virginia just elected a Democratic governor. Tester has good standing on Montana. Indiana has been known to elect Democrats, and Pence's policies left his very unpopular in the state. North Dakota may be the hardest of all, although they do have a history of embracing populist Democrats like Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan.

We also have a shot at winning a seat in Nevada. And Jeff Flake may lose his primary in Arizona. That makes the state winnable for the Dems. We would have carried it in the 2016 presidential election had it not been for the Comey intervention.

Worst case scenario the Republicans pick up 3 seats. More likely they pick up 1 or 0.

2 years is an eternity in politics so I predict nothing but that is simply raw delusion.

[YupItsMe]

Too much winning.  I'm afraid I might get tired of winning.

[FiddyBeowulf]

StevieM (5,160 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:21 PM

10. We will be fine in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. The media is declaring them vulnerable
 
based on nothing.

I cannot speak for Michigan or Pennsylvania but in WI we:
Voted for Trump
Reelected Ron Johnson
Elected Scott Walker, beat the recall and reelected him in 2014
Voted in GOP majorities in both state houses
Voted in a conservative majority in the state supreme court

All the signs clearly show WI is going to vote dem in the next US senate election.   

[SVPete]

Libs, Progs, and Ds swimming in that Egyptian River is a thing of beauty!

[DUmpstruck]

Big Blue Marble (3,465 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:12 PM

4. Why are you making such negative predictions.
 
If ACLU can raise 24 million dollars in one week, how much do you think we can
raise to fight for these seats and more. You will see election cycle like none you have
ever seen Do not use the past to predict the future. 

Pam, Rolex Randy and the Cole County Pedophile have valuable experience in go fund me raising.   

[BlueStateSaint]

Libs, Progs, and Ds swimming in that Egyptian River is a thing of beauty!

Yes, it is.  The crocodiles will get them soon enough.

Hey, primitives, here's what is probably going to happen.  President Trump's policies are going to re-energize the US economy.  That will be plainly evident by the fall of 2017.  President Trump will go out and campaign for Republicans biggly.  Sure, you'll still have the dying MSM to delude you into thinking that your side will actually pick up a few seats, but the cold, hard fiat of reality will smash your faces.  You've got what, 22 Dem Senate seats up (and two independent Senate seats, both of whom vote with the Dems)?  With 10 of those in states that President Trump won.  The Republicans will win most, if not all, of those.  Then, there's one or two of the 'safe seats' that they'll pick up.  At the end of that . . . There will be 64 Republicans and 36 Democrats.  You'd better hope that Justice Ginsberg isn't called by God at that time.

[jukin]

Clearly the illiterate DUmmy meant "How many of the 10 senate seats up in Trump dominated states can we hope to keep?" My answer is at most 2, probably none.

What the DUmmy should have been asking, "How many of the 13 'safe' democrat seats can we hope to keep?" My answer is 11 at best, probably 9.

Trump taught the republicans, most of them, that fighting is good and won't offend moderates. This maybe the end of the democrat party on the national level.

[Delmar]

Response to CK_John (Original post)Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:12 PM
Star Member Big Blue Marble (3,468 posts)
4. Why are you making such negative predictions.

If ACLU can raise 24 million dollars in one week, how much do you think we can
raise to fight for these seats and more. You will see election cycle like none you have
ever seen Do not use the past to predict the future.

Piss away all the money you want--great idea.

Trump won with half as much money as Clinton raised
Overcoming the biggest gap in modern campaign finance was just another convention Trump defied.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-clinton-campaign-fundraising-totals-232400

You can blast your lies far and wide and around the clock, the people aren't buying them anymore.

[VelvetElvis]

Big Blue Marble (3,465 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:12 PM

4. Why are you making such negative predictions.
 
If ACLU can raise 24 million dollars in one week, how much do you think we can
raise to fight for these seats and more. You will see election cycle like none you have
ever seen Do not use the past to predict the future. 

Well, bless their hearts, thinking that fundraising is going to guarantee a Dem victory.
The world has done changed, babies!!!!
It still hasn't sunk in with the Left that Trump defeated the Hildebeast and her $1.2 billion war chest while spending only 40¢ to each Dem dollar!

[Karin]

But, on the other hand, Nancy Pelosi's rally where the mic didn't work cemented the democrat party, in the eyes of the nation, as the party of smooth competence and intelligence.  Look at that moon!  This land is our land!

   You guys saw that, right?

[jb2u11]

I cannot speak for Michigan or Pennsylvania but in WI we:
Voted for Trump
Reelected Ron Johnson
Elected Scott Walker, beat the recall and reelected him in 2014
Voted in GOP majorities in both state houses
Voted in a conservative majority in the state supreme court

All the signs clearly show WI is going to vote dem in the next US senate election.   

I was thinking exactly the same thing. The Republicans are doing better in wi than at any other time in my life. Maybe sherrif clarke will run against Baldwin next year!

[Adam Wood]

I was thinking exactly the same thing. The Republicans are doing better in wi than at any other time in my life. Maybe sherrif clarke will run against Baldwin next year!

Clarke, nominally, is a Democrat, right?  I suspect that he'll abandon that label in short order.

Twenty-two months is an awful long way away, but at least at the moment, Trump's star is rising, and it's going to pull a wagon for a whole lot of folks so long as it still is.  In short order, he should be following Carville's advice: it's the economy, stupid.  If he does that, and he makes something approximating good on dealing with illegals, then he's in for a YUGE win in the Senate in 2018 and the POTUS again in 2020.

But it's a precarious balance, and with dramatic, bold actions come potentially dramatic, bold results, possibly quite negative indeed.  It's a genuine risk that he could manage to f#ck it all up in short order.

[SVPete]

Clarke, nominally, is a Democrat, right?  I suspect that he'll abandon that label in short order.
...

I'm surprised the D Party hasn't "invited" Clarke to re-register as Anything But D.

[tuolumnejim]

But how are the leftards going to win anything when the Trumster throws them into the fema camps? 

[BlueStateSaint]

I'm sure that the camps will have "Inmate Camper Of The Month" competitions.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I'm sure that the camps will have "Inmate Camper Of The Month" competitions.

Wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat, no doubt.