Star Member MineralMan (88,936 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512652509
We were warned. We actually knew this could happen.
Many people on DU and elsewhere warned of the threat of Donald Trump becoming President. We knew about the Russian influence early in the general election campaign. We knew that if he won, he might drag enough Republicans into office on his coattails to give Republicans control of all three branches of federal government.
Warnings were everywhere. I know I posted plenty of them, and so did political thinkers far more knowledgeable than I am.
We did not all listen. We did not all think it could happen. Some people didn't like Hillary Clinton and chose to skip voting for President or voted for third party candidates. We lost. We lost in three states, specifically, where we should not have lost.
We were warned, but not enough Democrats showed up in some states to prevent Donald Trump from winning. Yes, Democratic voters were suppressed in some states, but enough people voted for third party candidates or did not vote for President to have made a difference in enough states.
We failed. I'm incredibly sad about that. I don't even know what to say, beyond that, really.
and yet..... you failed.
Star Member duffyduff (3,017 posts)
2. Democrats didn't fail. The blame rests fully on the Trump voters.
They live in an alternate universe.
This isn't the fault of the Democrats.
wait...
what?
Star Member MineralMan (88,936 posts)
6. Clinton voters didn't fail us.
All votes not cast at all or not cast for Hillary Clinton were votes for Trump. Every one of them. We all knew the election was a binary choice. It always is. I'm not blaming Democrats. They voted for the Democratic candidate. I assume almost everyone on DU voted for Clinton. I'm not blaming anyone here who voted for her. I certainly did, and she won my state.
let's see... in one democratic controlled precinct in Detroit at least 256 votes were manufactured for Hillary.
How many times in how many dem run precincts did this happen? I'd say about 2 million times.
Exilednight (8,981 posts)
3. We were also warned about nominating a candidate with so much baggage
that airline carriers smile when they see the extra baggage fees they're about to profit from.
But we didn't listen.
Star Member duffyduff (3,017 posts)
5. Not Clinton's fault and you know it.
it's anyone but the DNC an Clinton's fault. The russians had to have stole the election!
Star Member MineralMan (88,936 posts)
7. Hillary Clinton was the Party's nominee. She won that nomination
fairly and honestly and by over 3 million votes. She also won the popular vote in November. It was not Hillary's fault. Please don't attempt to blame her.
No- she didn't. Podesta's, the DNC's and Hillary's own e-mails prove it.
Star Member leftofcool (17,550 posts)
4. Hillary tried to warn people. No one was listening.
Star Member MineralMan (88,936 posts)
13. Yes, we did, and well before the election. [knew about the russian hacking before the election]
All the more reason to turn out and vote for Hillary. We could have negated the Russian hacking simply by doing that. Sadly, we did not do that in enough numbers in some states. It's incredibly sad that we did not.
Star Member MineralMan (88,936 posts)
18. See, that only works up to a certain point.
At some point, enough votes make the difference. We just didn't get enough in a few states. Non-votes in the presidential race and every third party candidate's votes tell the story. You can see that in the vote counts, quite clearly, which is my point in this thread.
Not enough voters in enough states voted for Hillary Clinton to overcome the problem. There are always problems. That's why Democratic turnout and loyalty is so important. We have to overwhelm with our numbers in those swing states that decide presidential elections. We didn't do that. More's the pity.
DUers did vote for Hillary Clinton, I know. I'm not blaming DUers. But we're a tiny number of votes, spread across the nation. DU can't swing an election. It never could.
There was an election with rules to win. Trump played to win. Hillary? yeah... not so much.
BUT keep counting those newly found votes in California, bitches!
Star Member AnotherMother4Peace (1,859 posts)
12. Now faced with the realization that a hostile foreign government hijacked an American election
with its "all fronts" attacks. Hacks, unsecured voting machines, army of internet trolls, fake news, lies, smears, etc. etc - Russia's (a hostile Government's) rules of all's fair in war strategy. AND most IMPORTANT a WILLING Partner/Candidate in Trump......
Star Member libtodeath (2,428 posts)
16. Glad you can just shrug it off
people are going to suffer and die as a result of this act of war against us.
I'm hoping the first one is you.
Star Member MineralMan (88,936 posts)
24. There are recounts ongoing.
So far, it doesn't look like they will change the results, frankly. There is no way for a re-vote to take place in a presidential election in this country. There are no second elections. Given our Constitution, it's not even a possibility.
Recounts we have. But, under the rules of each state, they usually don't change the result, and there is insufficient time for there to be a thorough audit before the date of the inauguration and much less before the date of the Electoral College vote tallying.
So, no, we don't just say OK. But, I've heard no suggestions for another recourse that are feasible, legal, or constitutional.
You want to do something? If your state's electors are pledged to Trump, try to convince them that they have a responsibility not to let an egomaniac who is a stooge of the Russians become President. Your state. Electors are NOT going to listen to anyone who isn't from their state. That is the very best and probably the only way to keep Trump out of the White House. If your state went for Trump, communicate with your state's electors, your state's congressional delegation, your state's governor, and anyone else who might have influence on the electors.
If your state went for Hillary, then there's not much you can do in other states, I'm afraid. Electors are not going to pay any attention to people from other states.
they all failed.
ananda (16,469 posts)
29. We didn't fail because we were warned.
We failed because we didn't fight for the ideals we hold dear,
starting with Florida 2000.
We allowed the GOP to take away fairness in media, regulations
on campaign financing, the Voting Rights Act, many people's
right to vote, and the ability to get recounts when needed.
We simply didn't fight by organizing and not giving up.
Occupy was our last best hope; and they gave up.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AlexSFCA (29 posts)
40. we all saw it coming
the fact of the matter that voters in rust bet states did not care about it, they voted for Trump in spite of all the negativity. And they cared about their own communities much more than the country. For all I know, Russia could be partially financing Trump's campain and that would still not make any difference.
Russia had a huge stake in this election. There is a huge propability that under Trump, economic sanctions against Russia will be lifted and NATO fundamentally weakened. Trump is positioning Russia as a critical ally in the fight against terrorism - we are witnessing a colossal paradigm shift in the US foreign policy. Trump doesn't care about Syria, he probably feels we'd be better off carpet bombing the entire region or let Russia do it so we feel 'clean'.
J_William_Ryan (52 posts)
53. No, its not Clintons fault.
The mistake was to not realize how unpopular Clinton was in certain key states.
The mistake was to not realize that for a significant number of voters Clinton was more unpopular than Trump, however difficult that might be to believe.
And the mistake was to lose sight of the fact that voters are capricious and subjective when it comes to voting for president – the ‘emails,’ Comey, and a dash of misogyny contributed to Clinton’s loss.
