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Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 11:29 AMOriginal message Has anyone ever exploited his military service for political gain more than mccain?
There's a reason why patriotism is considered a conservative value. Watch a Tea Party rally and you'll see people proudly raising the American flag and showing pride in U.S. heroes such as Thomas Jefferson. Watch an OWS rally and you'll see people burning the American flag while showing pride in communist heroes such as Che Guevera. --Bob, from some news site
QuotePhilosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 11:29 AMOriginal message Has anyone ever exploited his military service for political gain more than mccain? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3737810&mesg_id=3737810Ahem...Questions?
Don't forget that LBJ basically gave himself a Silver Star for being an "observer" on a bombing run which ended up being aborted in WWII...
Wait...John Kerry served in Vietnam?
Quote from: Splashdown on August 06, 2008, 02:02:13 PMWait...John Kerry served in Vietnam? Yeah, I think he got a box of Cracker Jacks with a Purple Heart or something.
Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:34 AMResponse to Reply #1 2. I don't care what repubs say, mccain never did anything heroic. And if he did, he flushed it all away later with his actions.
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:40 AMResponse to Reply #2 3. He refused an immediate release from a Vietnamese prison camp where he was tortured (and still suffers pain and disabilities as a result) until his fellow POWs were released.Sounds pretty heroic to me. (And most of the rest of the electorate.) Just sayin'.
Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:42 AMResponse to Reply #3 4. I can still disregard & make fun of his military service like repubs do, right?
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:48 AMResponse to Reply #4 7. Whatever. I was under the impression that this is a discussion board, but I guess you don't want discussion.
Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:49 AMResponse to Reply #7 8. I love discussion, especially if I can tear a man down like repubs do.
zbdent (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:05 AMResponse to Reply #3 14. Sounds like he went into the Vietnam conflict to pad his resume to later run for the Presidency ... you know, like the Repukes claimed John Kerry did?Only thing was, John Kerry didn't crash 4 other Swift Boats prior to being captured by the North Vietnamese on his fifth crash ...Of course, John Kerry wasn't the son and grandson of Admirals ...
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:13 AMResponse to Reply #14 19. You do know the truth about the planes McCain crashed, right? Right?
ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:18 AMResponse to Reply #19 23. Do tell the "truth" about Admiral McCombover's plane crashes. n/t
Sadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:49 AMResponse to Reply #23 28. Found a little info He probably wouldn't have been flying after the first crash, if not for who his father and grandfather were; however, to simply state that he "lost five planes," as if he was just an incompetent cowboy is totally misleading.He was not so lucky in his combat assignment aboard the USS Forrestal. In 1967, an accidentally fired missile struck the fuel tanks of McCain’s plane before it took off, resulting in a deadly fire that killed 134 men and destroyed 20 planes. While McCain was trying to help another pilot escape, his legs and chest were injured by fragments from a bomb that exploded nearby.However, this incident would not dissuade McCain from continuing to fight for his country. McCain volunteered for more combat duty and was assigned to the USS Oriskany. In October 1967, while he was flying his 23rd combat mission, his plane was shot down. After breaking both arms and a leg, and almost drowning, McCain was captured by the North Vietnamese, becoming a prisoner of war.http://www.hooyou.com/news/news072908politics.html Misfired missile. Not his fault. Shot down. Probably not his fault.It wasn't long after arriving in Pensacola that McCain racked up the first of his five crashes, beginning in 1958, on his way to becoming a "reverse ace." As told by Timberg, "McCain was practicing landings; his engine quit and he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay. Knocked unconscious by the impact, he came to as the plane settled to the bottom."Conflicting info on this. If his engine quit, it wasn't his fault. (Although there may not have been engine failure.)Crash three occurred when McCain was returning from flying a trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. According to Timberg, McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout." He went through the standard relight procedures three times. At one thousand feet, he ejected, landing on the deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees."Flameout? Don't know exactly what that means, but it sounds like it wasn't his fault either.
God that made my head hurt...QuotePhilosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:34 AMResponse to Reply #1 2. I don't care what repubs say, mccain never did anything heroic. And if he did, he flushed it all away later with his actions. QuoteSadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:40 AMResponse to Reply #2 3. He refused an immediate release from a Vietnamese prison camp where he was tortured (and still suffers pain and disabilities as a result) until his fellow POWs were released.Sounds pretty heroic to me. (And most of the rest of the electorate.) Just sayin'. QuotePhilosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:42 AMResponse to Reply #3 4. I can still disregard & make fun of his military service like repubs do, right? QuoteSadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:48 AMResponse to Reply #4 7. Whatever. I was under the impression that this is a discussion board, but I guess you don't want discussion. QuotePhilosoraptor (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 07:49 AMResponse to Reply #7 8. I love discussion, especially if I can tear a man down like repubs do. Is he ****ing 12?A tip of the hat to Sadie4629 for trying to be fair. After Philosorapter got beaten like a bitch, he retreated and someone else stepped up the stupid.Quotezbdent (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:05 AMResponse to Reply #3 14. Sounds like he went into the Vietnam conflict to pad his resume to later run for the Presidency ... you know, like the Repukes claimed John Kerry did?Only thing was, John Kerry didn't crash 4 other Swift Boats prior to being captured by the North Vietnamese on his fifth crash ...Of course, John Kerry wasn't the son and grandson of Admirals ... But again, Sadie won't have any of that.QuoteSadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:13 AMResponse to Reply #14 19. You do know the truth about the planes McCain crashed, right? Right? QuoteColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:18 AMResponse to Reply #19 23. Do tell the "truth" about Admiral McCombover's plane crashes. n/t QuoteSadie4629 (879 posts) Wed Aug-06-08 08:49 AMResponse to Reply #23 28. Found a little info He probably wouldn't have been flying after the first crash, if not for who his father and grandfather were; however, to simply state that he "lost five planes," as if he was just an incompetent cowboy is totally misleading.He was not so lucky in his combat assignment aboard the USS Forrestal. In 1967, an accidentally fired missile struck the fuel tanks of McCain’s plane before it took off, resulting in a deadly fire that killed 134 men and destroyed 20 planes. While McCain was trying to help another pilot escape, his legs and chest were injured by fragments from a bomb that exploded nearby.However, this incident would not dissuade McCain from continuing to fight for his country. McCain volunteered for more combat duty and was assigned to the USS Oriskany. In October 1967, while he was flying his 23rd combat mission, his plane was shot down. After breaking both arms and a leg, and almost drowning, McCain was captured by the North Vietnamese, becoming a prisoner of war.http://www.hooyou.com/news/news072908politics.html Misfired missile. Not his fault. Shot down. Probably not his fault.It wasn't long after arriving in Pensacola that McCain racked up the first of his five crashes, beginning in 1958, on his way to becoming a "reverse ace." As told by Timberg, "McCain was practicing landings; his engine quit and he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay. Knocked unconscious by the impact, he came to as the plane settled to the bottom."Conflicting info on this. If his engine quit, it wasn't his fault. (Although there may not have been engine failure.)Crash three occurred when McCain was returning from flying a trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. According to Timberg, McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout." He went through the standard relight procedures three times. At one thousand feet, he ejected, landing on the deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees."Flameout? Don't know exactly what that means, but it sounds like it wasn't his fault either. After this, they degenerate into a Bash Bush session, while a few others try to defend Kerry.
