http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512630033Oh my.
Ken Burch (44,342 posts) Sun Nov 27, 2016, 11:17 PM
the bearded slob up in Alaska; candidate for Top DUmmie of 2016
There's no good reason to anathematize Bernie and his supporters.
And the fact is, if we make Bernie and most of his supporters unwelcome, we will never win another presidential election. Ever. We don't have enough votes without the left, and there is no large bloc of votes anywhere that would shift to us if we make this a party in which no one on the left is welcome.
Bernie is not the problem and the issues some voters had with our nominee had nothing to do with his candidacy.
This should be a time when we are discussing how to get more people into our potential pool of votes, not drive people away who are or could be part of it.
Dialog, not purge trials, for god's sakes.
With the thread currently at 4,179 views and 197 comments, I'll just quote the PoP, the primitives of prominence, as the PonP, the primitives of no prominence, don't count anyway.
Gothmog (33,409 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:56 PM
the Texas pyramid; candidate for Top DUmmie of 2016
145. Bernie played a big role in electing trump and is a subject of valid commentary
One cannot ignore the role that Sanders played in helping to elect trump
NanceGreggs (21,650 posts) Sun Nov 27, 2016, 11:39 PM
widder [such as in "widow"] Nan, candidate for Top DUmmie of 2016
7. The Bernie supporters ...
... who voted Trump, or third party, or sat out the election aren't welcome - nor should they be. They are useless to the Dem Party, because they'd rather bail on the Dems than get past their own butt-hurt when their candidate-of-choice isn't elected the nominee.
And please stop with the false meme that Bernie supporters "are" the left. Those who encouraged others to vote third party or stay home are NOT "the left".
We've seen the posts on JPR - the links to RW sites, the praising of Republicans, the accusations that HRC had people "murdered", etc.
THOSE people have no place among decent Democrats - or decent people, full stop.
Bernie was a Democrat-of-convenience. He dissed the party for decades, including while he was allegedly running on their ticket. And the second he lost the nomination, he dropped the pretense and went back to being an independent.
The real Democrats who supported Bernie switched their support to Hillary as soon as his nomination was dead in the water. Those who didn't can spend the next four years enjoying the Trump pResidency they helped bring about.
mike_c (34,562 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:08 PM
124. I'm sorry, but American voters still get to select the candidates...
...who best represent their interests. Demanding party lockstep on the democratic side is no less abhorrent than it is among among republicans. Voters have the responsibility and civic duty to cast their votes for the candidate or party platform they think best for America. We have no duty to support the candidates anointed by party central committees simply because not doing so might threaten their viability. Party central committees, on the other hand, have a responsibility to their supporters to manage the electoral process fairly and to insure that their party nominates the best candidate whose policy positions are consistent with the party platform. The DNC failed spectacularly in that regard. American voters desperately wanted a populist rather than an establishment insider.
I've waited all my adult life for a president like Senator Bernie Sanders, and my age begins with a six. Senator Clinton was weak, weak sauce in comparison.
La Lioness Priyanka (51,699 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:33 PM
97. she won more self identified democrats than sanders did during the primaries.
bravenak (31,377 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:40 AM
candidate for Top DUmmie of 2016
44. And the independent lost to a Democrat. It WAS the Democratic primary, after all
sheshe2 (36,672 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:15 AM
candidate for Top DUmmie of 2016
39. The hatred of Hillary and her supporters
Is just palpable around here. Sickening.
There ya go, corrected.
^^^obviously a reference to Manny's gimme crowd.
elleng (72,053 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:02 AM
53. :thumbsup:
MineralMan (88,564 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:34 AM
Minnesota Moses; candidate for Top DUmmie of 2016
71. Why would anyone do that?
After losing in the primaries, Bernie Sanders supported and campaigned for Hillary Clinton. And many thanks are due to him for doing so. However, not all of his supporters followed his advice. In a few states, where Hillary needed a win, she lost by margins so small that the votes for Jill Stein would have put her over the top, had those voters listened to Bernie.
And then, there were people who simple did not go to the polls or left the presidential race unmarked.
No blame goes to Bernie Sanders. He's not the one who cost Hillary the election. That is down to others, many of whom were his supporters. Bernie did the right thing, and did it well. Hillary still lost. I think I know why that happened. But that does not change the outcome.
And for those who are pinning their hopes on recounts, a turnaround is very, very unlikely.
The problem was that not enough Democrats in some key states voted for Hillary Clinton and too many people voted for Donald Trump for whatever reasons...
retrowire (8,779 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:47 PM
candidate for Top DUmmie of 2016
161. Yeah, that's a ****ed up opinion to have. It's why I didn't even give that thread my grace.
Sigh...
Honestly, Bernie? The one that was her greatest ally in the final months? That's who people want to point the blame at now? The past can't be changed. He was indeed an opponent at first, but I'll be damned if he wasn't a civil one.
Hillary fans may not appreciate that, but tough shit. This is where we are now. Bernie sure as hell isn't the sole reason she lost, nor is he the highest reason.
I know people don't want to admit her faults and what actions she took and did not take to land her here but, these are facts.
I voted for Hillary. BECAUSE OF BERNIE. Not because of fear of Trump, and CERTAINLY not because of Hillary.
Buzz Clik (38,270 posts) Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:44 PM
193. I've nothing against most Bernie supporters (other than a shitty attitude)...
... but I choke at the notion of calling them "the left".
