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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2015, 08:57:36 PM »
Frank, I was in the Navy on a submarine and rarely handled any type of firearm. We had to shoot a 12 gauge shotgun and a .45 and that was to hit a target a couple of times to say that we had qualified with them. At the time, there was no training in boot camp with them.

Whoa; thanks for the illumination.  I wasn't aware we had anybody who served in the military who didn't acquire at least a basic knowledge of firearms, no matter in what capacity one served.

I can see where knowledge of firearms might, or might not, be pretty much useless on a submarine, but I figured all you guys were taught the basic stuff anyway.

The sparkling old dude served in a mine-sweeper based in Charleston, South Carolina, 1965-1967, keeping the American mainland safe from invasion by Morocco or Sao Tome e Principe, I suppose.  He may have been "only" a galley cook, but I suspect he was rather more than that.

But he's always been so skittish about firearms I wonder if he had some sort of traumatic experience earlier in life, like when he was a juvenile delinquent running amok in Bridgeport, disappointing his parents.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2015, 09:23:08 PM »
Whoa; thanks for the illumination.  I wasn't aware we had anybody who served in the military who didn't acquire at least a basic knowledge of firearms, no matter in what capacity one served.

I can see where knowledge of firearms might, or might not, be pretty much useless on a submarine, but I figured all you guys were taught the basic stuff anyway.

The sparkling old dude served in a mine-sweeper based in Charleston, South Carolina, 1965-1967, keeping the American mainland safe from invasion by Morocco or Sao Tome e Principe, I suppose.  He may have been "only" a galley cook, but I suspect he was rather more than that.

But he's always been so skittish about firearms I wonder if he had some sort of traumatic experience earlier in life, like when he was a juvenile delinquent running amok in Bridgeport, disappointing his parents.

Given the time frame that he was in, he probably did have some training with weapons. I was in during the "peaceful" early to mid 80's.

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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2015, 10:49:10 PM »
Whoa; thanks for the illumination.  I wasn't aware we had anybody who served in the military who didn't acquire at least a basic knowledge of firearms, no matter in what capacity one served.

I can see where knowledge of firearms might, or might not, be pretty much useless on a submarine, but I figured all you guys were taught the basic stuff anyway.

The sparkling old dude served in a mine-sweeper based in Charleston, South Carolina, 1965-1967, keeping the American mainland safe from invasion by Morocco or Sao Tome e Principe, I suppose.  He may have been "only" a galley cook, but I suspect he was rather more than that.

But he's always been so skittish about firearms I wonder if he had some sort of traumatic experience earlier in life, like when he was a juvenile delinquent running amok in Bridgeport, disappointing his parents.


As an enlisted man in the Army, I had extensive and recurring training on the M-16 rifle.
As an officer in the Navy, I only once ever had anything to do with any firearm.
It was a 5 shooter .38 caliber 1 inch barrel revolver.
The reason for getting qualified with it was to serve as a courier of classified(none of Hitlery's by the way) documents.
We all loaded up one day, went to an indoor 25 foot range, had to hit the target with a minimum score with all 5 rounds, and then done.
No practice, no previous training, and no recurring training.

I had much more extensive initial and ongoing training for aerial gunnery, and air to ground gun, rockets as well as live and inert bombs.


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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2015, 03:04:55 AM »
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END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW


Jesus ****ing Christ on a Trailer Hitch.

PLEASE END THIS.

Hey Stinky...you do realize that this happened in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country?

California IIRC has every single gun law you can think of and that's on your wish list...and yet this STILL happened.

Let that sink in for a minute.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2015, 04:47:37 AM »
Hey Stinky...you do realize that this happened in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country?

California IIRC has every single gun law you can think of and that's on your wish list...and yet this STILL happened.

In all the history of mankind, a primitive has never made that connection.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2015, 07:02:44 AM »
In all the history of mankind, a primitive has never made that connection.

Frank I think they make the connection...they simply refuse to accept the connection.

To do that would be a repudiation of everything they've been brainwashed into believing.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2015, 07:22:20 AM »
Frank I think they make the connection...they simply refuse to accept the connection.

To do that would be a repudiation of everything they've been brainwashed into believing.

The New York Daily News refuses to.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2015, 07:38:39 AM »
You know, the sparkling old dude has always betrayed a certain sort of fear about firearms.

Yes, yes, it's a good thing to be respectful of firearms, but the sparkling old dude's fear of them has always struck me as peculiar.  And remember, I've known the sparkling old dude for more than a dozen years now, with lots of chances to observe him.

It strikes me as the fear of something with which one's been threatened before.

The sparkling old dude's no innocent; a hardened veteran of the U.S. Navy and then later an officer in the Naval Reserves, he's undoubtedly dealt with firearms and knows how to use them.

I wonder if by growing up on the organized-crime infested streets of Bridgeport, Connecticut during the 1950s, something happened.

The Navy an Air Force version of firearms training for the herd is pretty much on the level of 'Just enough not to kill your own damn self with it,' and has been that way for decades.   There are of course many in both services who are experts, aficionados, and also gun-haters, but that's due to individual inclination, not common training.

Are you sure about that 'Officer' thing?  With his background, I would expect him to have become an NCO in his later reserve time, since with only two years on active duty in the late sixties he likely did not make it to NCO ranks during his active hitch.  I have been an 'Other ranks,' an NCO, and officer, and with no disrespect to any group, there is a WORLD of difference between noncommissioned officer and commissioned officer.  The word 'Officer' by itself is NEVER used to describe an NCO, only as a shorthand term for commissioned and warrant officers.

Another factor in Stinky's hoplophobia may be his role as a slumlord in Baltimore.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2015, 09:23:52 AM »
The Navy an Air Force version of firearms training for the herd is pretty much on the level of 'Just enough not to kill your own damn self with it,' and has been that way for decades.   There are of course many in both services who are experts, aficionados, and also gun-haters, but that's due to individual inclination, not common training.

Are you sure about that 'Officer' thing?  With his background, I would expect him to have become an NCO in his later reserve time, since with only two years on active duty in the late sixties he likely did not make it to NCO ranks during his active hitch.  I have been an 'Other ranks,' an NCO, and officer, and with no disrespect to any group, there is a WORLD of difference between noncommissioned officer and commissioned officer.  The word 'Officer' by itself is NEVER used to describe an NCO, only as a shorthand term for commissioned and warrant officers.

Another factor in Stinky's hoplophobia may be his role as a slumlord in Baltimore.

My husband would argue vociferously that there is also a world of difference between a warrant and a commissioned officer!   :-)
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2015, 09:45:09 AM »
My husband would argue vociferously that there is also a world of difference between a warrant and a commissioned officer!   :-)

Well, there is, but it's not as big as the gulf between NCO and officer.  Since the late 80s all the warrants above W1 are 'Commissioned warrant officers' so in a technical sense he'd be wrong.  You can get away with referring to warrants as 'officers' without confusing the shit out of your listener.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2015, 09:56:56 AM »
My husband would argue vociferously that there is also a world of difference between a warrant and a commissioned officer!   :-)
Your husband is correct. 
Commissioned Officers are considered tactician.
Warrants are technicians.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2015, 09:59:03 AM »
Well, there is, but it's not as big as the gulf between NCO and officer.  Since the late 80s all the warrants above W1 are 'Commissioned warrant officers' so in a technical sense he'd be wrong.  You can get away with referring to warrants as 'officers' without confusing the shit out of your listener.

Oh, I know.  Hubby was "appointed" in 1987; I was commissioned so he loved to give me shit. :-)
He's a CW5 so gets lumped in with "special parking spaces" at the PX and commissary with Colonels.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2015, 10:04:03 AM »
Your husband is correct.

Didn't get me out of those pesky officers' wives coffees though.  I thought marrying an E6, it would be the end of that crap.  Then, he decided to go warrant.  I don't think the military plays these "social" games any more.
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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2015, 10:26:17 AM »
Are you sure about that 'Officer' thing?  With his background, I would expect him to have become an NCO in his later reserve time, since with only two years on active duty in the late sixties he likely did not make it to NCO ranks during his active hitch.  I have been an 'Other ranks,' an NCO, and officer, and with no disrespect to any group, there is a WORLD of difference between noncommissioned officer and commissioned officer.  The word 'Officer' by itself is NEVER used to describe an NCO, only as a shorthand term for commissioned and warrant officers.

I dunno where I ever put it, as it's been a long time ago, but if I recall correctly, his resume of his professional qualifications (in the food service industry)--which by the way actually are far from unimpressive, but those accomplishments might have been things he did before he became a primitive--showed two years of active duty in the U.S. Navy 1965-1967, and he's mentioned that other times, other places.

But then six years 1967-1973 as an officer in the U.S. Naval Reserves; he was in college at the time, perhaps financed by whatever the GI educational benefits were then (he attended an ultra-high-class small college in southeastern Pennsylvania), but the memory neglected to remember his rank.

As a professional civilian, really, an officer is an officer is an officer--whether a major or a corporal or a sergeant or an admiral, they're officers, and I respect them equally.  A lieutenant's likely to get as much admiration and respect from me as a general is.

It's probable the sparkling old dude never went bad until into middle age, when he dumped his first wife, who'd been with him all through the trials and travails of the early years, and who was getting kind of stout and grey and drab, for his much-younger second wife.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2015, 10:55:23 AM »
You snoop a lot, white boy.

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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2015, 11:44:26 AM »
You snoop a lot, white boy.

Mehhh ... frank probably paid attention when Stc spoke of his life experiences on DU. And hasn't killed very many brain cells with recreational chemicals, so he remembers.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2015, 11:49:28 AM »
You snoop a lot, white boy.

Oh now, I'm sure the primitives, the smartest people on the internet, know more about franksolich than franksolich knows about them.
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Re: END THE ****ING GUN MADDNESS NOW.. Stinkytheclown
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2015, 12:01:51 PM »
Hey Stinky...you do realize that this happened in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country?

California IIRC has every single gun law you can think of and that's on your wish list...and yet this STILL happened.

Let that sink in for a minute.
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