Still pissed off at the 2000 election...

[dutch508]

Uncle Joe (35,093 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027310779

One thing that Gloria Borger and CNN omitted in their special re: the 2000 selection was O'Connor's 2013 admission that the U.S. Supreme Court was wrong in hearing the case, it should have been left up to the state of Florida.

Now she tells us. More than 12 years after the fact, retired Justice Sandra Day O’Connor said it was probably a mistake for the Supreme Court to hear Bush v. Gore and anoint George W. Bush as president of the United States.

“It took the case and decided it at a time when it was still a big election issue,” Justice O’Connor told the Chicago Tribune editorial board on Friday. “Maybe the court should have said, ‘We’re not going to take it, goodbye.’”

She continued: “Obviously the court did reach a decision and thought it had to reach a decision. It turned out the election authorities in Florida hadn’t done a real good job there and kind of messed it up. And probably the Supreme Court added to the problem at the end of the day.”

The result, she allowed, “stirred up the public” and “gave the court a less than perfect reputation.”

Justice O’Connor’s comments, as fascinating as they are, have to set some kind of record for detachment (she calls the court on which she sat for 25 years “it” — avoiding the more apt “we”) and also for understatement.

Granted, we don’t know for sure whether Justice O’Connor wanted to take Bush v. Gore. Only four justices have to agree to hear a case. But we do know that she sided with the majority on the actual decision, which stopped the recounting in Florida and gave a one-vote majority in the Electoral College to the man who lost the national popular vote. The ruling was a huge stain on the court’s reputation because it appeared to be — may well have been — blatantly partisan.

(snip)

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/oconnor-regrets-bush-v-gore/?_r=0

Isn't time you Move On?

YvonneCa (9,794 posts)
4. Exactly. Their 'We Dems brought a knife to...a gun fight' was pathetic. The extent of the willingness on the part of the GOP to subvert democracy to get their way still shocks me. The guy ...Stipanovich..was on with Don Lemon afterward and said they were preventing a coup. What a jerk!

 

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (17,821 posts)
2. Geez..Gloria Borger is as close to a moron as anyone on TV. The documentary was sickening to me - just watched it.

Biggest mistake - Democrats acting like the WHOLE thing was on the up and up. How naive of us !

You guys were like $10.00 away from overturning the election.... but then Frank killed Andy with his bare hands...

grasswire (43,855 posts)
6. I think there was a lot left out. They didn't point out that the Brooks Bros mob was all Bush staffers and that the Sore Loserman protesters were freepers

It still makes me laugh.

Octafish (49,398 posts)
21. Did they mention the nice CIA man who tampered FLA ballots on behalf of teh GOP?

Charles Kane took his experiences to do nice things in Ukraine, too.

Back in the U.S.S.R.

"CIA" Helpful in Florida, Ukraine Elections

December 8,2004 -Venice, FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker

A retired CIA agent, whose illegal and unfettered access to election rolls in Martin County Florida was a major source of legal contention after the 2000 Election, traveled to the Ukraine four years earlier to teach “grass-roots politics” to people there, The MadCowMorningNews has learned.

The news came even as citizens in the Ukraine celebrate their new-found freedom, while in the U.S. suspicion continued to fester that vote fraud may have cost Americans their own right to free and honest elections.

In a bitterly ironic twist, Charles Kane, former Director of Security at the Central Intelligence Agency, and member of the Florida Republican Executive Committee, spent four days in Kiev, the capital of the former Soviet republic, hosting training sessions for Ukrainian political parties in 1996.

Institute officials chose Kane to go to the Ukraine, according to the February 20, 1996, Stuart/Port St. Lucie News, apparently straight-faced, “because of his experience in grass-roots campaigns.”

Four years later, Kane’s credentials as a proponent of democracy were receiving much closer scrutiny...

CONTINUED...

http://www.madcowprod.com/12092004.html


Remember, it looks like democracy.

 

Samantha (7,613 posts)
8. Well, I said that at the time, Uncle Joe, but no one listened

It is right there in the U.S. Constitution that Presidential elections will be conducted by the states as long as each has a state constitution defining the rules (prior to the election, of course). The State of Florida did in fact have a state constitution but two years prior to Election 2000, it amended that state constitution.

There was a prominent election (I believe of a mayor) which ended in a dispute. The perceived winner took office, and the loser sued. Some time later, it was discovered that the loser had in fact won, the person who was in office had to leave and the person winning the suit took office. This caused such an outrage, it was decided that new rules had to be written to outline how to dispute the results of an election, how it would be decided whether or not a recount was in order, and lastly how to conduct a recount. The new rules were inserted in the state constitution. I believe a clerical error was made and the old rules were not deleted. But I only found this out through pulling the document up on line.

Enter Election 2000. The Bush camp in explaining its conduct quoted the OLD rules. The Gore camp abided by the NEW rules.

No one, and I do mean no one I ever heard ever discussed this precise problem. But when one looked up quoted material by the Bush camp, there it was in the state constitution. Same for quotes from the Gore camp.

And the result of this was that everyone lost, but mostly the United States of America lost. The proper handling of this situation should have been that Florida's Slate of Electoral College Votes should not have been counted by the Electoral College itself because by the time this was discovered, it was too close to the date of the election event to change the rules.

Sam

 

grasswire (43,855 posts)
10. Also, did you notice Karen Hughes...talking about how Jebbie was fiddling on the computer after the news came in that Florida was being returned to undecided? At that time, the Bush family said they didn't believe that could be true.

We STILL don't know the depth of the perfidy, do we?

Yes. Jeb Bush used his secret super computers to change all the votes in Florida... the paper ones...

 

StevieM (3,304 posts)
12. Bush had a lot of different strategies to steal the election. At one point the Florida legislature voted to award the state's electoral votes to George Bush.

One way or another, the Bush campaign was going to steal the election. And they did.

Star Member kelliekat44 (7,573 posts)
14. Not to mention the disparities between the exit polling and the results in many areas. nt

Arugula Latte (48,814 posts)
16. Just think, she made possible the mass slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

"Oopsie."

**** you very much, Sandy.

So, Barry has made possible the slaughter of millions by his stupidity. You don't seem to have an issue with that.

[Chris_]

Well, madcowprod.com certainly sounds like an unimpeachable, unbiased source of information.

I knew that CNN "special" would drive the DUmmies up the wall.  Personally, I think it was a GOTV campaign by CNN on behalf of the Democrat Party to lather up the base and get them worked up.

[Duke Nukum]

Charles Foster Kane rigged the election for the Republicans from his Xanadu estate in Florida!  Really!

Rosebud!!!

[franksolich]

Question.

How come the "Republican" justices are being blamed for being "partisan," but not the "Democrat" justices?

Did one of the "Democrat" justices side with the "Republican" justices, making the "Democrat" justices "non-partisan," or what?

Why's one side being blamed for "partisanship," but the other side's not?

[Duke Nukum]

How come the DUmmies never bring up that Fox News and other media called Florida for Gore before polls even closed on the Panhandle? That never gets brought up by our DUmmie conspiracy theorists?

[Carl]

Your lunacy gives me a happy!

[Patriot Guard Rider]

How come the DUmmies never bring up that Fox News and other media called Florida for Gore before polls even closed on the Panhandle? That never gets brought up by our DUmmie conspiracy theorists?

Exactly. They called the state for Gore before the CONSERVATIVE panhandle had a chance to vote. That suppressed the vote, but, this little factoid is verbotten.

[Undies]

If Al Gore's home state of Tennessee would have voted for Al Gore, Florida would have been a moot point.  Did Booooosh steal Tennessee too?  Or was Al Gore just an unlikable putz that even the usual democrat voter fraud could save?

[Ralph Wiggum]

If Al Gore's home state of Tennessee would have voted for Al Gore, Florida would have been a moot point.  Did Booooosh steal Tennessee too?  Or was Al Gore just an unlikable putz that even the usual democrat voter fraud could save?

I'll take "Unlikable Putz" for $1000, Alex.

[USA4ME]

I'm still upset that John Quincy Adams was awarded the presidency in 1824 despite not winning the electoral count nor the popular vote, so the House of Representatives voted him into office. Unlike the primitives, I only have so much room for hatred and outrage. Once I get over the 1824 election, then I can move on to later elections.

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[Skul]

I'm still upset that John Quincy Adams was awarded the presidency in 1824 despite not winning the electoral count nor the popular vote, so the House of Representatives voted him into office. Unlike the primitives, I only have so much room for hatred and outrage. Once I get over the 1824 election, then I can move on to later elections.
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Y'all just ain't right.
The letter "Q" wasn't even on the typewriters year..
If the Texas Constitution not been ratified in 1824, things would be different.

[Ptarmigan]

George W. Bush is no longer in the White House since January 20, 2009.

You just cannot let go of it, eh. How about letting it go?