A Free-Market-solution for gun-violence.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027236082

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:00 AM

DetlefK (5,847 posts)

A Free-Market-solution for gun-violence.
I saw this coming up in some editorial cartoons and I thought... Why not? What's the problem? Why would anybody be against this?

My proposal is fairly simple:
Imagine a weather-map, but instead of temperatures, humidity, air-pressure and winds it shows you for each state things like:
- mass-shootings per citizen and year
- gun-murders per citizen and year
- fatalities from gun-accidents per citizen and year
- casualties from gun-accidents per citizen and year
- gun-suicides per citizen and year

Citizens would see which states are nice and which are not. Citizens would see how state-laws correlate to gun-violence and they would be free to give their politicians the appropriate "praise".

We already do,it is called crime statistics and you mutts don`t want to talk about it.

Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:06 AM

1939 (642 posts)
1. According to a recent reference here in DU

The five safest states in the union for not being a "victim of guns" are South Dakota, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, and Iowa. I doubt that their gun laws (which are lax) are the reasons these states are so "safe".

Response to 1939 (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:22 AM

Kotya (70 posts)
4. Gun violence (not counting suicides)

Is less of an issue about "safe" states vs. "unsafe" states.

It is about "safe" zip codes vs. "unsafe" zip codes. These violent zip codes skew the rest of the state.

Look at Chicago with its annual homicide rate in the hundreds, yet most of Chicago you could walk around at night without a care in the world. Almost all the murders are taking place in a small handful of neighborhoods.

Ahem...

Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:01 PM

YabaDabaNoDinoNo (313 posts)
14. We already know what are the best states, where the best jobs are, where the best schools are, etc

We also know where the guns come from too and interestingly enough the places where the guns come from are also not the best states to live in either and bring up the rear in all measurable standards of quality of living

Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:01 PM

branford (3,007 posts)
15. Hey, instead of states, why don't you make it a map

of cities or counties, or better yet, congressional districts.

Such a proposal will almost assuredly get near unanimous Republican support.

Heck, they could make an fairly reasonable argument that they key to lowering gun deaths in your neighborhood is voting for the GOP...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2012#/media/File:US_House_2012.svg

http://data.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/gun-deaths

 

[Chris_]

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:00 AM
DetlefK (5,847 posts)

Citizens would see which states are nice and which are not.

I imagine the map would look something like this:

[jukin]

I imagine the map would look something like this:

DetlefK, is that you? If not it is an excellent job of moling.

[Chris_]

Damn, he beat me to it. 

I should have read the entire OP.

[thundley4]

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:06 AM

1939 (642 posts)
1. According to a recent reference here in DU

The five safest states in the union for not being a "victim of guns" are South Dakota, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, and Iowa. I doubt that their gun laws (which are lax) are the reasons these states are so "safe".

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:22 AM

Kotya (70 posts)
4. Gun violence (not counting suicides)

Is less of an issue about "safe" states vs. "unsafe" states.

It is about "safe" zip codes vs. "unsafe" zip codes. These violent zip codes skew the rest of the state.

Look at Chicago with its annual homicide rate in the hundreds, yet most of Chicago you could walk around at night without a care in the world. Almost all the murders are taking place in a small handful of neighborhoods.

These low post count moles are not being very subtle.  They are all but typing in all caps that blacks are the problem and causing most of the gun violence.

[67 Rover]

These low post count moles are not being very subtle.  They are all but typing in all caps that blacks are the problem and causing most of the gun violence.

If they really wanted a fool proof encryption code dog whistle they should have typed it in cursive.   

[delilahmused]

I'm not sure what that has to do with the free market. It's got nothing to do with economics. Besides, liberals always skew data to reflect what they want to believe. Even the US government stats show high ownership equals less crime as do several (liberal) university studies. Right now in liberal publications all you see is stats that say high gun ownership means higher crime. Truth is hard for the left.

I was trying to get through to a liberal friend on FB yesterday who posted some leftwing article about what a lie it was that conceal/carry makes incidents like this less likely to happen. Besides the fact that most students who go there respect UCC's gun free zone policy, proximity matters. If those carrying are several buildings away, you can't proclaim conceal/carry doesn't matter. Someone(s) in Snyder Hall would've had to be armed for this to be remotely true. Had Chris Mintz been carrying, he damn well wouldn't have gotten shot 7 times and there would've been less carnage. Same with anyone in that classroom. You can only argue it's ineffective if there were people with guns who refused to engage the shooter out of fear or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised to see more students carrying now, well, except the lumberjack lesbians who've invaded Drain and attend UCC. We may not be Yale graduates here, but we have common sense.


PS DUmmies, the people in Douglas Country do NOT want 0bama here and the families especially so. They have no desire to be used as political pawns while they're grieving. I'm sure he'll find a few people to stand on the podium with him all hand wringing and whiny about too many guns. Of course, 0bama has the compassion of a hungry cobra and the tact of an Islamic terrorist. His agenda is more important that the wishes of the people who live here. He could wait but he'd rather lecture us while our emotional and physical wounds are still raw. He simply doesn't give a rip about anyone, including you guys. If he can use you he will, otherwise, you're nothing.

Cindie