Barry should, like, totally fire someone!

[dutch508]

craigmatic (3,952 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026963231

Obama should fire somebody over this FBI background check screw up.


If it was any other situation the heads would've rolled by now. He fired that woman in the Agriculture Department for a video the republicans took out of context without seeing it in full first yet somehow nobody has gotten fired over a **** up that cost 9 people their lives and it's been a couple of weeks already.

Oh... this isn't over Fast and Furious which caused the death of who know how many people and a federal agent, or about the SANFRAN illegal who killed a woman after the city let a felon walk free... or about any of the crimes committed by the IRS or even Hillery Clinton...

Oh, no... it's about gun control

Calista241 (1,070 posts)
1. It sounds like the FBI followed the rules properly.

And the issue was as the police department where someone made the clerical error of filing a document under the wrong department.

Generic Brad (8,268 posts)
2. You have to wonder how often that happens nationwide

Hard core NRA members in clerical positions could very easily "overlook" failed background checks and "accidentally" OK an arms sale. If there is no systemic oversight, then this could be routine and we would be none the wiser.

Sounds like we need a way to quality check the background check process.

Ah, yes... the inside job thing again. MIHOP isn't dead it seems.

Star Member Fred Sanders (13,978 posts)
9. How about firing most of Congress for not funding the check system properly and not extending wait periods?

Or how about "firing" a few hundred million of the 320 million guns and removing them from the death equation?

The Great Deflection from The Gun begins....it is like when the media tried to drape "heritage" over the Dixie Swastika in a lame effort to deflect from the truth...in this case the truth is guns are weapons and are always weapons the moment they leave the gun factory.

Try throwing a protective wrapper around that....maybe try " but guns are my heritage"?

Most of congress being DUmpspeach for Republicans. Christians, Straight, and Southern congressmen.

Igel (21,895 posts)
12. So what you're saying is that Obama committed one injustice,

and that's justification for him committing another?

BTW, we see a lot of videos, not in full, and make all kinds of conclusions about them all the time.

I watched video of a heart-touching private moment of a woman at her son's grave a while back. It was a soggy day, and her grief as she lay the flowers on the poor lad's final resting place was wrenching. A picture of this was also prominent in some media sources, where the moment was presented in those terms.

Then I saw the uncropped Getty image of that very same picture, with a half-dozen tv vans off to the side, the assistant holding an umbrella over the woman's head, a half dozen boom mikes near her face and a dozen photographers and cameramen nearby, trying not to catch the lighting crew in their camera frames. A catering table was set up for the reporting crews, a bunch of reporters chowing down as they watched the spectacle of this woman at the center of the photo op. The video shown wasn't the first take, either, because the grass outside what the cameras caught, on top of the surrounding graves, was trampled to mud. A heart-touching private moment, indeed. Just the mother and a couple dozen media professionals at a catered heart-touching private moment.

 

LisaL (26,000 posts)
14. Maybe FBI should be allowed more than 3 days to investigate.

The investigator wasn't able to obtain what she needed within the allotted three day period. That seems like a huge loophole.

They really have no clue how the real world works, do they?

[Mr Mannn]

LisaL (26,000 posts)
14. Maybe FBI should be allowed more than 3 days to investigate.

The investigator wasn't able to obtain what she needed within the allotted three day period. That seems like a huge loophole.

That's not how liberal mob justice works.

Instant accusation based on emotions of the moment. Followed by instant lynching.
Facts? Investigations? Liberal justice warriors need not these things.

[obumazombie]

The gun that killed the young lady in San Franfreako is rumored to be one of the fast and furious guns owebuma and holder sold to the mexicans.

[dutch508]

The gun that killed the young lady in San Franfreako is rumored to be one of the fast and furious guns owebuma and holder sold to the mexicans.

Its reported that the weapon was stolen from A Bureau Land Management officer in SANFRAN last month.

[FlippyDoo]

    Star Member Fred Sanders (13,978 posts)
    9. How about firing most of Congress for not funding the check system properly and not extending wait periods?

    Or how about "firing" a few hundred million of the 320 million guns and removing them from the death equation?

    The Great Deflection from The Gun begins....it is like when the media tried to drape "heritage" over the Dixie Swastika in a lame effort to deflect from the truth...in this case the truth is guns are weapons and are always weapons the moment they leave the gun factory.

    Try throwing a protective wrapper around that....maybe try " but guns are my heritage"?

If you are speaking about the Confederate battle flag please show me where the media tried to relate it to heritage. From where I sat the media did the job that the emperor expected and used the flag to fan the flames of discontent into another useful misdirection.

I admit I've been fictionally spirit-guiding the nuts at the DUmp so long that some of their lunacy has rubbed off on me, but this is how I see things. Better strap on your tin foil helmets.

From all of the stats I've seen in the past a high percentage of blacks is opposed to homosexuality. The emperor and his clique needs the voting support of the black citizenry. The emperor's council of nine spat in the face of a high percentage of the black citizenry with their June 26 decision. Misdirection was needed and it had already been provided a few days earlier by a murdering lunatic in Charleston.

For the record I don't believe the emperor or any of his evil minions had anything to do with the murdering lunatic. I'm not that far gone around the DU bend. I just think the emperor and his evil minions used it to their advantage.

[obumazombie]

^Take down that windmill, it's desecrating my flag !

[FlippyDoo]

^Take down that windmill, it's desecrating my flag !

That's an assault windmill. It's actual matte black. It just has white camouflage.

[BlueStateSaint]

Its reported that the weapon was stolen from A Bureau Land Management officer in SANFRAN last month.

Not sure of the manufacturer, but I heard that it was a .40 S&W.

[obumazombie]

That's an assault windmill. It's actual matte black. It just has white camouflage.

I see the pile of American bald eagles at the bottom of it.

[98ZJUSMC]

Generic Brad (8,268 posts)
2. You have to wonder how often that happens nationwide

Hard core NRA members in clerical positions could very easily "overlook" failed background checks and "accidentally" OK an arms sale. If there is no systemic oversight,

Right, because all us hard core NRAers purposely infiltrate every government agency waiting each day to commit fraud and felony malfeasance for complete strangers.

then this could be routine and we would be none the wiser.

What do you mean, would be?

[docstew]

That's an assault windmill. It's actual matte black. It just has white camouflage.

Clayton Bigsby is a windmill now?

[redwhit]

Right, because all us hard core NRAers purposely infiltrate every government agency waiting each day to commit fraud and felony malfeasance for complete strangers.

To be honest, that was my first question on reading the article about how the FBI screwed up.  How often do these background checks slip through the cracks?  Rhetorical question, I know but think of how much safer we would all be if the laws we have on the books right now were just enforced.  Not as flashy, not as emotional certainly, but just enforce the damn laws already there before slapping down a whole bunch of jackassery.

[docstew]

To be honest, that was my first question on reading the article about how the FBI screwed up.  How often do these background checks slip through the cracks?  Rhetorical question, I know but think of how much safer we would all be if the laws we have on the books right now were just enforced.  Not as flashy, not as emotional certainly, but just enforce the damn laws already there before slapping down a whole bunch of jackassery.

No, no, no. That wouldn't be taking advantage of the crisis. I mean, look at what they already got: they successfully blamed a piece of cloth for 9 murders.

[obumazombie]

No, no, no. That wouldn't be taking advantage of the crisis. I mean, look at what they already got: they successfully blamed a piece of cloth for 9 murders.

It is well trained. It pulled the trigger to empty the weapon and reloaded too.
Or, it might have goaded the weapon to fire and reload itself.

[SVPete]

Generic Brad (8,268 posts)
2. You have to wonder how often that happens nationwide

Hard core NRA members in clerical positions could very easily "overlook" failed background checks and "accidentally" OK an arms sale. If there is no systemic oversight ...

Trying to fend off some logical implications of this F-up:

* The "system" is susceptible to human error;

* This failure was one where existing laws would have precluded the perp from getting the gun;

* More stringent laws would not have done any better, as they would have failed for the same reason;

* Existing laws are sufficiently onerous that the law enforcement and bureaucrat types doing the processing find it complicated; IOW, simplification, not further complication, would have a greater chance of screw-up prevention.

LisaL (26,000 posts)
14. Maybe FBI should be allowed more than 3 days to investigate.

The investigator wasn't able to obtain what she needed within the allotted three day period. That seems like a huge loophole.

IIRC, the current time limit - is it really 3 days? - was enacted because some anti-gun and lazy bureaucrats had been making the approval process indefinite. Somehow Congress managed to act to end that abuse. 3 days is too short? Really? The gun dealer collects the ID info and it is electronically transmitted to the Feds' computer. The computer checks its records. A paper-pusher looks over the results. The checking process from transmission of data through "printing" the results (whether on paper or a "soft copy" displayed on a computer monitor probably takes less than 3 minutes (computers work 24 X 7 X 52; as for paper pushers, think swing and grave shift, and flexible schedules). Depending on how much detail the paper-pusher looks at:

* The approval of a simple (= no arrests for anything ever) application should take less than three minutes;

* The denial of a felon's application should take less than three minutes;

* The denial of a loony-toon's application might take 6 minutes;

* The approval or denial of the application of some one with a complicated history might take 20 or 30 minutes, maybe 180 minutes if paper-pusher takes a lunch break.

3 days is easily adequate. But adequate time for a proper background check isn't what Libs and Progs want. Since they can't ban guns outright - though they will keep trying - they will do whatever they can to make obtaining a gun and buying ammo difficult, time-consuming, and expensive. So, if LisaL gets her wish, and the time limit is extended to 3 weeks, she will still complain that it's too short.

[JohnnyReb]

FIRE OBAMA...before he declares marshall law.

[obumazombie]

FIRE OBAMA...before he declares marshall law.

Biden is cheap insurance...for now anyway.