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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2008, 01:00:39 PM »
The Ehrlich book the Population Bomb was published forty years ago, he is now a global warming stooge...
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2008, 01:03:19 PM »
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79. Self extinction is earths only hope.
 But I know the Chinese, and Indians will never go for it.


An Earth with no humans serves no purpose DUmbShit!
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2008, 01:30:36 PM »
So this homo calls hetros breeders and that isn't a hate crime?


By extension I can then call him: dirt poker, rump ranger, dick smoker, cock gobbler, fudge packer, cum gargler, bun darter, or any other various terms for fagots?


Or is this just another one way liberal street?

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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2008, 02:41:29 PM »
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79. Self extinction is earths only hope.

I'll supply the method! :fuelfire:
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2008, 05:27:21 PM »
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79. Self extinction is earths only hope.

I'll supply the method! :fuelfire:

And I'll supply the guns.
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2008, 05:28:15 PM »
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79. Self extinction is earths only hope.

I'll supply the method! :fuelfire:

And I'll supply the guns.
I'll sell the tickets & popcorn.
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2008, 05:30:25 PM »
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ileus (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-17-08 06:24 PM
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79. Self extinction is earths only hope.

I'll supply the method! :fuelfire:

And I'll supply the guns.
I'll sell the tickets & popcorn.

Damn. Buncha entrepreneurs
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2008, 05:31:27 PM »
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ileus (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-17-08 06:24 PM
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79. Self extinction is earths only hope.

I'll supply the method! :fuelfire:

And I'll supply the guns.
I'll sell the tickets & popcorn.

Damn. Buncha entrepreneurs
Dang right.   :popcorn:
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2008, 06:00:40 PM »
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79. Self extinction is earths only hope.

I'll supply the method! :fuelfire:

And I'll supply the guns.
I'll sell the tickets & popcorn.

Damn. Buncha entrepreneurs
Dang right.   :popcorn:

It's what makes America great. :cheersmate:
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2008, 07:50:07 PM »
Like so many myths, DU buys into the myth of overpopulation because it puts human beings in a bad light. The volume of self and species hatred at DU is most amazing.
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2008, 04:21:58 AM »
Like so many myths, DU buys into the myth of overpopulation because it puts human beings in a bad light. The volume of self and species hatred at DU is most amazing.

Then they should sacrifice themselves on the altar of Mother Gaia and end their selfish abuse of her resources! :evillaugh:
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2008, 08:43:43 AM »
Like so many myths, DU buys into the myth of overpopulation because it puts human beings in a bad light. The volume of self and species hatred at DU is most amazing.

Then they should sacrifice themselves on the altar of Mother Gaia and end their selfish abuse of her resources! :evillaugh:

As long as they're not gathering naked in the woods with a camera near by....
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2008, 10:33:07 AM »
Like so many myths, DU buys into the myth of overpopulation because it puts human beings in a bad light. The volume of self and species hatred at DU is most amazing.

Then they should sacrifice themselves on the altar of Mother Gaia and end their selfish abuse of her resources! :evillaugh:

As long as they're not gathering naked in the woods with a camera near by....

That image would fry whatever digital cards were in whatever digital cameras . . .
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2008, 06:39:38 AM »
They don't breed anyway.

Some do, and that vexes me.

Same. Why is it that you need a license to own a gun, a dog, and to drive a car, but any ******* can have a kid?

So what you're advocating is more government interference in private life?

These calls for licensure to procreate make me sick.  And they come from both sides of the political spectrum.

You must not be a parent.

No, I'm not advocating for more government interference. But my POINT was that you need a license to do some things, but not THE most important job you can possibly have? Why is it that if I want a dog, I have to go get a license and fill out paperwork and take the dog to the vet, but to have a kid I didn't have to prove that I would be a capable and caring parent? Owning a dog is so not as hard as having a kid.

I wouldn't go so far as BC and say I'm for eugenics, but let me tell you...after the amount of really, truly stupid and selfish people I have seen become parents, I could be persuaded.

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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2008, 09:06:55 AM »
The eugenics discussion is a troubling one. Some truly valuable, contributing members of society have been the product of dysfunctional families, and selfish parents and some real losers have come out of a good homes and good parents. Eugenics focuses on the faults of the parents and not the outcome of their offspring. Eugenics also focuses on selectively breeding people based on certain traits. How many on this very forum would be deemed 'disqualified' to breed based on medical histories or personal values(remember, who could be deciding which 'thought' is right to raise a child in). Conservatives(as well as liberals) likely think this is a good idea as long as they are the ones deciding who meets the bar for 'breeding'. It's a good thing to keep in mind that these tables could get turned real quick depending on who is in power as to who possesses the right stuff for parenting.

For those who have any religious belief, I'm curious how you would justify eugenics in the confines of those moral beliefs? I'm NOT asking that flippantly--let me say that ahead of time. I am genuinely curious how this would fit into a system of religious beliefs where life, with all its imperfection, is prized above all.

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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2008, 09:18:07 AM »
They don't breed anyway.

Some do, and that vexes me.

Same. Why is it that you need a license to own a gun, a dog, and to drive a car, but any ******* can have a kid?

So what you're advocating is more government interference in private life?

These calls for licensure to procreate make me sick.  And they come from both sides of the political spectrum.

You must not be a parent.

No, I'm not advocating for more government interference. But my POINT was that you need a license to do some things, but not THE most important job you can possibly have? Why is it that if I want a dog, I have to go get a license and fill out paperwork and take the dog to the vet, but to have a kid I didn't have to prove that I would be a capable and caring parent? Owning a dog is so not as hard as having a kid.

I wouldn't go so far as BC and say I'm for eugenics, but let me tell you...after the amount of really, truly stupid and selfish people I have seen become parents, I could be persuaded.


Nope, not a parent yet, just a former foster kid, so believe me when I say I'm well aware of how awful some people are at parenting.

The thing is, there is no foolproof way of preventing those people from becoming parents without becoming a tyrant in the process.  Now everyone here is aware that freedom isn't free, but what some don't seem to realize is that the price paid isn't always borne by the military.  Sometimes it's borne by the victims of shootings, paying for our freedom to bear arms.  Sometimes it's borne by the victims of hate speech, paying for our right to free speech.  And sometimes it's borne by children who grow up in f**ked-up households, paying for our freedom to have children without government approval.

Just as it is unconscionable to violate the liberty of the vast majority of responsible gun owners in order that we may be protected from the loonies, and just as it is unconscionable to violate the liberty of every speaker in the nation in order that we might be protected from speech that some will doubtless find hurtful, it is unconscionable to violate the liberty of every would-be parent by subjecting them to government examination in order to create a child.

The intact nuclear family is the basic unit of our society, and as such must be protected.  Consequently, the burden of proof is not and cannot be placed on the leaders of that unit to prove their competence, but on any outside party attempting to engage in the destruction of said unit to prove said leaders' incompetence.  Justice demands it.

Of course our system of family law is hardly just, but that's another subject for another time.

Though I personally dislike arguments from practicality (it's part and parcel of being a student of higher mathematics), let me offer you one.  If the government were to license childbirth and/or parenthood, it seems obvious to me at least that the ones presiding over the examination process would be social workers.  I don't know how much you know about social workers, but I feel pretty confident in saying that if this were to pass, conservatives would be banned outright from procreating.  Social workers as a group are some of the most partisan leftists of any occupation in the nation (there are individual exceptions of course, just as in teaching, although fewer in number it would seem from my personal experience).

If your desire is to prevent libtards from procreating and/or raising children, licensure is the absolute worst decision you could make in furtherance of that desire.
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2008, 09:20:15 AM »
Oh and I do find it amusing that the gay individual who would likely start a riot over being called disparaging names for his sexual proclivities finds it acceptable to call the NATURAL sexual habits of heterosexual people and its likely outcome in the most unsavory of terms. I've found gays that speak like this actually think they are enlightened in some way beyond the normal human experience and that their gayness somehow seperates them in some divine, lofty way from the rest of the breeding masses ie they think they have evolved beyond the 'average' human experience.  :whatever:

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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2008, 09:23:49 AM »
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Nope, not a parent yet, just a former foster kid, so believe me when I say I'm well aware of how awful some people are at parenting.

The thing is, there is no foolproof way of preventing those people from becoming parents without becoming a tyrant in the process.  Now everyone here is aware that freedom isn't free, but what some don't seem to realize is that the price paid isn't always borne by the military.  Sometimes it's borne by the victims of shootings, paying for our freedom to bear arms.  Sometimes it's borne by the victims of hate speech, paying for our right to free speech.  And sometimes it's borne by children who grow up in f**ked-up households, paying for our freedom to have children without government approval.

Just as it is unconscionable to violate the liberty of the vast majority of responsible gun owners in order that we may be protected from the loonies, and just as it is unconscionable to violate the liberty of every speaker in the nation in order that we might be protected from speech that some will doubtless find hurtful, it is unconscionable to violate the liberty of every would-be parent by subjecting them to government examination in order to create a child.

The intact nuclear family is the basic unit of our society, and as such must be protected.  Consequently, the burden of proof is not and cannot be placed on the leaders of that unit to prove their competence, but on any outside party attempting to engage in the destruction of said unit to prove said leaders' incompetence.  Justice demands it.

Of course our system of family law is hardly just, but that's another subject for another time.

Though I personally dislike arguments from practicality (it's part and parcel of being a student of higher mathematics), let me offer you one.  If the government were to license childbirth and/or parenthood, it seems obvious to me at least that the ones presiding over the examination process would be social workers.  I don't know how much you know about social workers, but I feel pretty confident in saying that if this were to pass, conservatives would be banned outright from procreating.  Social workers as a group are some of the most partisan leftists of any occupation in the nation (there are individual exceptions of course, just as in teaching, although fewer in number it would seem from my personal experience).

If your desire is to prevent libtards from procreating and/or raising children, licensure is the absolute worst decision you could make in furtherance of that desire.

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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2008, 08:06:08 AM »
Oh and I do find it amusing that the gay individual who would likely start a riot over being called disparaging names for his sexual proclivities finds it acceptable to call the NATURAL sexual habits of heterosexual people and its likely outcome in the most unsavory of terms. I've found gays that speak like this actually think they are enlightened in some way beyond the normal human experience and that their gayness somehow seperates them in some divine, lofty way from the rest of the breeding masses ie they think they have evolved beyond the 'average' human experience.  :whatever:
It's a self-loathing thing! Makes them feel better about their own proclivities to disparage others. Many homosexuals no matter how out and proud they claim to be really don't like the fact that they are gay. Alot of unhappy people.
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2008, 09:49:13 AM »
Oh and I do find it amusing that the gay individual who would likely start a riot over being called disparaging names for his sexual proclivities finds it acceptable to call the NATURAL sexual habits of heterosexual people and its likely outcome in the most unsavory of terms. I've found gays that speak like this actually think they are enlightened in some way beyond the normal human experience and that their gayness somehow seperates them in some divine, lofty way from the rest of the breeding masses ie they think they have evolved beyond the 'average' human experience.  :whatever:
It's a self-loathing thing! Makes them feel better about their own proclivities to disparage others. Many homosexuals no matter how out and proud they claim to be really don't like the fact that they are gay. Alot of unhappy people.

I'd say not exactly self-loathing, more of a rationalization - a mental construct to validate their own superiority, in the face of the majority of humankind regarding them as pathetic freaks.
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Re: Is it unethical, due to over population, to breed many children
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2008, 05:34:58 PM »
Oh and I do find it amusing that the gay individual who would likely start a riot over being called disparaging names for his sexual proclivities finds it acceptable to call the NATURAL sexual habits of heterosexual people and its likely outcome in the most unsavory of terms. I've found gays that speak like this actually think they are enlightened in some way beyond the normal human experience and that their gayness somehow seperates them in some divine, lofty way from the rest of the breeding masses ie they think they have evolved beyond the 'average' human experience.  :whatever:
It's a self-loathing thing! Makes them feel better about their own proclivities to disparage others. Many homosexuals no matter how out and proud they claim to be really don't like the fact that they are gay. Alot of unhappy people.

I'd say not exactly self-loathing, more of a rationalization - a mental construct to validate their own superiority, in the face of the majority of humankind regarding them as pathetic freaks.

Most of the gays I know are really bad alcoholics. I put that down as unhappiness in their situation.
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