Are Republicans sure to lose in 2016?

[landofconfusion80]

I know a guy--an outspoken staunchly pro-life conservative--who sat out the 2008 election. Wouldn't vote for McCain because he supported stem cell research. The guy felt he was responsible to God for his vote, and it had to be, in his own words, "all or nothing." So, he voted for nothing, and felt sanctimonious and self-righteous about it.

Meanwhile, on the other side, we had a guy who voted "present" for his entire time in the Illinois legislature--until he felt the right to unfettered abortion was on the line. He even voted for infanticide (!!!!!) because he felt the bill in question posed a threat to Roe v. Wade.

So, I did what I could to stop the Obama agenda. And the guy I knew didn't. His non-vote (and the millions of others who also didn't vote) are responsible for a whole lot of crap that isn't on MY conscience.

That guy saw the light and didn't sit out 2012. Too bad so many others didn't.

So to your single issue friend, they were one in the same? good for the friend to realize that they were two sides of the same corrupt coin.  I didn't sit out, I didn't throw away my vote. I voted for Gary Johnson, the candidate that represented the absolute best combination of my values.  His platform was more in line with conservative values than Romney by a long shot.  Defense votes only delay the inevitable.  I know I post this often, but it bears repeating:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnAyr0kWRGE[/youtube]

[obumazombie]

What ever happened to Gary Hart anyway ?

[Big Dog]

What ever happened to Gary Hart anyway ?

Emperor Putmos appointed him Special Envoy to Northern Ireland. Basically, a taxpayer-funded vacation house on
the Irish Sea, and all the Irish redheads he can eat.

[SVPete]

Emperor Putmos appointed him Special Envoy to Northern Ireland. Basically, a taxpayer-funded vacation house on
the Irish Sea, and all the Irish redheads he can eat.

Wow! Didn't know Gary Hartpence is still alive. He's 78 or 79, so he may need some prescription assistance if he wants to enjoy any redheads.

[Mary Ann]

So to your single issue friend, they were one in the same? good for the friend to realize that they were two sides of the same corrupt coin.  I didn't sit out, I didn't throw away my vote. I voted for Gary Johnson, the candidate that represented the absolute best combination of my values.  His platform was more in line with conservative values than Romney by a long shot.  Defense votes only delay the inevitable.  I know I post this often, but it bears repeating:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnAyr0kWRGE[/youtube]

No, they clearly weren't one and the same. Do you think Jughead will ever appoint a judge who doesn't believe in the right to abort right up to the last push? How about the Hobby Lobby decision? That was close, but do you think McCain would have appointed Sotomeyer and the other one? (Can't think of her name right now . . .) There were promises made to pro-life Dems to get their votes on Obamacare, but Jughead must have had his fingers crossed, because now even the Little Sisters of the Poor have to pay for "services" that violate their own consciences.

I'm glad you didn't sit out the election, but I feel there is a time and place for ideological purity, and that's in the primaries. When it comes to the general election, the thing to do is to vote for the lesser of two evils.

[Big Dog]

I feel there is a time and place for ideological purity, and that's in the primaries. When it comes to the general election, the thing to do is to vote for the lesser of two evils.

For me, it's not a matter of ideological purity. It's a matter of conscience. "Lesser of two evils" is not good enough; my vote must be earned.

John Quincy Adams' quote in my signature block says it all for me.

[jukin]

The Senate has moved bills forward that have forced Jughead to openly defy the electorate, which Reid protected him from.

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Could you please name one? It sure wasn't the Comnibus, the one tool the HOR had to reign in Obama. It is not going to be Lynch, she will be the next AG. A racist and a feminazi that loves civil forfeiture and illegal amnesty. Maybe it was ramming down the HHS funding bill so as to stop illegal amnesty?

I can't point out one piece of legislation under GOPe control that has done a single thing to hurt Obama. In fact Obama has used their capitulation and it has only emboldened the dictator. It is ineptitude at best and complicity at worst.

OAN, I'm not the only one there are millions. The GOPe is doing this to themselves.

[landofconfusion80]

No, they clearly weren't one and the same. Do you think Jughead will ever appoint a judge who doesn't believe in the right to abort right up to the last push? How about the Hobby Lobby decision? That was close, but do you think McCain would have appointed Sotomeyer and the other one? (Can't think of her name right now . . .) There were promises made to pro-life Dems to get their votes on Obamacare, but Jughead must have had his fingers crossed, because now even the Little Sisters of the Poor have to pay for "services" that violate their own consciences.

I'm glad you didn't sit out the election, but I feel there is a time and place for ideological purity, and that's in the primaries. When it comes to the general election, the thing to do is to vote for the lesser of two evils.

If you vote for flacid milquetoast candidates over and over again, those are the same terrible policies that you'll end up with.  When was the last time that a republican candidate actually pushed forward some conservative policies with teeth.  Good luck getting rid of Obamacare, at best we'll get some minor tweaks to it, at worst it'll not be tampered with if another Romney ends up at the top.  How anyone could vote for the grandaddy of Obamacare and still call themselves a republican is beyond me...

[jukin]

o you think Jughead will ever appoint a judge who doesn't believe in the right to abort right up to the last push?

There is the little thing called the senate that must confirm all federal judges. Sadly Harry Reid still controls that. I remember when we had the senate and the donks filibustered Bush's appointees. We should have gone nuclear like Reid did but we didn't and that meant tens of unfilled federal judges that the JEF filled. It's almost like there is no opposition party.

As to McCain, I bet that things would be even worse. McCain, Card Carriyng Maverick, would have done the same things Obama did. Only we would have never had 2010 Tea Party. Republicans would have to support McCain's agenda which is just not that far from Obama's. McCain would have gotten amnesty through in the first two years along with some "Comprehensive" health care take over. Also, the SCOTUS appointments would have been just as bad or the donks wouldn't have let them through.

Third. Party.

I think the communists in the democrat party would have less influence as the RINO party takes a bunch of  old school democrats, The conservatives could be the power broker in a parliamentary type situation. At least then we would have a place at the table. Now conservatives have nothing. We are just assumed to vote for them, get lied to, and betrayed every single time.