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Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« on: March 10, 2015, 10:37:45 AM »
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Can and should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47 for violating the Logan Act?
They would fundraise the hell out of it and bluster how Obama is a tyrant...

But when push comes to shove and once they have to appear in court...

Once they have to explain why they sent a diplomatic note to the iranian government, why they tried to influence ongoing negotiations between the US and Iran, why they did so in their official capacities as members of the legislative branch (using their titles and the official letterhead) ...



For serious? I wouldn't give a **** about how the GOP reacts:
1. The GOP is already bought and paid for by big donors. It won't have an effect on overall fundraising.
2. Public opinion is against them.
3. It would be really fun to watch Fox News trying to spin this how this law doesn't count when lawless Obama tries to enforce it.


I say you try it and see what happens.

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5. The only thing more impotent than a threat unmade is a threat unkept.

Maybe Barry can draw another red line.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2015, 10:58:01 AM »
There are plenty examples of the left doing much worse but I will just show one example.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html
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Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit

Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election.
I wish I could be shocked that a lefty would view Reagan as a greater threat to America than the USSR but I am not.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2015, 12:06:36 PM »
A brief review of the act on-line indicates that aside from one indictment (Which was never further pursued) in 1803, nobody has ever been prosecuted under it.  Further, if the law actually withstood a First Amendment challenge, it applies to those who communicate with foreign governments "Without authority."  There is nothing in the first or second Articles of Constitution reserving such communications to the Executive Branch, nor forbidding them from the Legislative Branch.  Congress, in fact, has quite a few enumerated powers in the conduct of foreign relations, and no general limit from doing anything beyond those since almost the only truly exclusive power the Executive is given in Article II is that of Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.

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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2015, 12:09:56 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on March 10, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
A brief review of the act on-line indicates that aside from one indictment (Which was never further pursued) in 1803, nobody has ever been prosecuted under it.  Further, if the law actually withstood a First Amendment challenge, it applies to those who communicate with foreign governments "Without authority."  There is nothing in the first or second Articles of Constitution reserving such communications to the Executive Branch, nor forbidding them from the Legislative Branch.  Congress, in fact, has quite a few enumerated powers in the conduct of foreign relations, and no general limit from doing anything beyond those since almost the only truly exclusive power the Executive is given in Article II is that of Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.

Bring it DUmmtards.  You won't like the result.
YES....open that can of worms and we can all go fishing.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2015, 12:15:53 PM »








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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2015, 12:16:28 PM »
Quote from: FiddyBeowulf on March 10, 2015, 10:58:01 AM
There are plenty examples of the left doing much worse but I will just show one example.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.htmlI wish I could be shocked that a lefty would view Reagan as a greater threat to America than the USSR but I am not.

Thank you for bringing that one up.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 12:52:00 PM »
The community instigator strikes again.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2015, 02:07:00 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on March 10, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
Maybe Barry can draw another red line.

That half-wit can't even draw his own bath.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2015, 02:52:08 PM »
I guess that, to the DUmp (and to the New York Daily News) that "dissent is patriotic" doesn't apply when there's a Dem in the White House, eh?
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2015, 02:57:30 PM »
Why investigate only 47?
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2015, 04:01:54 PM »
Oh my.

Lookee here.

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Senators John Sparkman (D-AL) and George McGovern (D-SD). The two Senators visited Cuba and met with government actors there in 1975. They said that they did not act on behalf of the United States, so the State Department ignored their activity.

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Senator Teddy Kennedy (D-MA). In 1983, Teddy Kennedy sent emissaries to the Soviets to undermine Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy. According to a memo finally released in 1991 from head of the KGB Victor Chebrikov to then-Soviet leader Yuri Andropov:

On 9-10 May of this year, Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow. The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.

What was the message? That Teddy would help stifle Reagan’s anti-Soviet foreign policy if the Soviets would help Teddy run against Reagan in 1984.

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House Speaker Jim Wright (D-TX). In 1984, 10 Democrats sent a letter to Daniel Ortega Saavedra, the head of the military dictatorship in Nicaragua, praising Saavedra for “taking steps to open up the political process in your country.”

In 1987, Wright worked out a deal to bring Ortega to the United States to visit with lawmakers.....

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Senator John Kerry (D-MA). Kerry jumped into the pro-Sandanista pool himself in 1985, when he traveled to Nicaragua to negotiate with the regime. He wasn’t alone; Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) joined him.

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Representatives Jim McDermott (D-WA), David Bonior (D-MI), and Mike Thompson (D-CA). In 2002, the three Congressmen visited Baghdad to play defense for Saddam Hussein’s regime.

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Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV). In 2002, Rockefeller told Fox News’ Chris Wallace, “I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11.”

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). In April 2007, as the Bush administration pursued pressure against Syrian dictator Bashar Assad, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi went to visit him. There, according to The New York Times, the two “discussed a variety of Middle Eastern issues, including the situations in Iraq and Lebanon and the prospect of peace talks between Syria and Israel.” Pelosi was accompanied by Reps. Henry Waxman (D-CA), Tom Lantos (D-CA), Louise M. Slaughter (D-NY), Nick J. Rahall II (D-WV), and Keith Ellison (D-MN). Zaid Haider, Damascus bureau chief for Al Safir, reportedly said, ‘There is a feeling now that change is going on in American policy – even if it’s being led by the opposition.”

More of the sordid details at:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/10/7-times-democrats-advised-americas-enemies-to-oppose-the-president/
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2015, 05:59:06 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on March 10, 2015, 04:01:54 PM
Oh my.

Lookee here.

More of the sordid details at:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/10/7-times-democrats-advised-americas-enemies-to-oppose-the-president/
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2015, 08:31:54 PM »
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Why investigate only 47?


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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2015, 10:17:58 PM »
"Public opinion is against them."
If by "Them," you mean "Obama and his brainless liberal buddies, then yes.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
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Once they have to explain why they sent a diplomatic note to the iranian government, why they tried to influence ongoing negotiations between the US and Iran, why they did so in their official capacities as members of the legislative branch (using their titles and the official letterhead) ...

They have been caught red handed in their official capacities as members of the legislative branch, using their titles and the official letterhead.  The grownups had to step in because the manchild was screwing things up again.  I hope that the left keeps pushing this Logan Act nonsense.  Obama is a fool and it is about time the adults put him on a short leash.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2015, 11:32:48 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on March 10, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
A brief review of the act on-line indicates that aside from one indictment (Which was never further pursued) in 1803, nobody has ever been prosecuted under it.  Further, if the law actually withstood a First Amendment challenge, it applies to those who communicate with foreign governments "Without authority."  There is nothing in the first or second Articles of Constitution reserving such communications to the Executive Branch, nor forbidding them from the Legislative Branch.  Congress, in fact, has quite a few enumerated powers in the conduct of foreign relations, and no general limit from doing anything beyond those since almost the only truly exclusive power the Executive is given in Article II is that of Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.

Bring it DUmmtards.  You won't like the result.

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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). In April 2007, as the Bush administration pursued pressure against Syrian dictator Bashar Assad, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi went to visit him. There, according to The New York Times, the two “discussed a variety of Middle Eastern issues, including the situations in Iraq and Lebanon and the prospect of peace talks between Syria and Israel.” Pelosi was accompanied by Reps. Henry Waxman (D-CA), Tom Lantos (D-CA), Louise M. Slaughter (D-NY), Nick J. Rahall II (D-WV), and Keith Ellison (D-MN). Zaid Haider, Damascus bureau chief for Al Safir, reportedly said, ‘There is a feeling now that change is going on in American policy – even if it’s being led by the opposition.”

When "Bela" Pelosi went to Syria to commit treason, she was praised by Hitlery.
Now the shoe is on the other foot...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2015/03/10/cbs-channels-opponents-gop-letter-iran-highlights-traitors-headline

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When conservatives do it, they warn our mortal enemies against opposing the best interests of America.


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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2015, 01:20:26 AM »
Nothing better than Dummies calling a war hero like Tom Cotton a traitor.
They have a petition signed by 100,000 Dummies and other liberals, requesting all 47 to be tried as traitors.

Also, didn't Kerry meet with North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War?
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2015, 05:55:06 AM »
So let me see if I get this right...to a Progressive...47 Senators reminding a head of state who is doing a back channel deal with the POTUS that they have Constitutional authority to approve any deals = Treason.

But Bowe Berghdal = Hero???
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2015, 07:01:11 AM »
These men were elected to stop the first dictator of the United States. they are patriots.
Obama and his minions may be hopping mad, but there is nothing they can do about it.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
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These men were elected to stop the first dictator of the United States. they are patriots.
Obama and his minions may be hopping mad, but there is nothing they can do about it.

Dummies really think that the President can do whatever the hell he wants.
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2015, 01:35:36 PM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on March 11, 2015, 12:33:14 PM
Dummies really think that the President can do whatever the hell he wants.
Well, don't he?
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2015, 01:56:24 PM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on March 11, 2015, 12:33:14 PM
Dummies really think that the President can do whatever the hell he wants.
well at least since January 20, 2009. Prior to that date, not so much...
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Re: Should the DoJ investigate the infamous 47
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2015, 03:30:56 PM »
After it turns out that the "47" were patriots for their actions, and Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, et al were treasonous, the owebumaManiaMedia has set off in a new direction...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2015/03/10/was-just-matter-time-chris-matthews-hints-47-gop-senators-motivated

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