MineralMan (69,917 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026135390
Bill Clinton Served Two Terms as President - Hillary Clinton is Not Bill Clinton
It's 2015, so people are starting to talk about potential candidates for President in 2016. Lots of right wing websites are trying hard to make Bill Clinton the main issue regarding Hillary Clinton's candidacy. They pretend that Hillary Clinton is just Bill's wife and wouldn't really be able to handle the job of being President, and that Bill Clinton would be telling her what to do.
They're trotting out all the old scandal mongering from the Clinton administration. They're saying that people should look at Bill Clinton, not Hillary, when they think about 2016. I say bullshit on that noise.
Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton. She's never been Bill Clinton. She is her own woman, with her own accomplishments. She has been a Senator and a Secretary of State, all on her own. She appeared to be quite competent at both jobs. She and Bill Clinton are married, but they are not dependent on each other. When Bill Clinton philandered, Hillary was not amused. They dealt with it as a couple and remained married.
Now, some are bringing all that up again, along with other rumors and accusations. Not accusations aimed at Hillary, but at Bill Clinton, a two-term Democratic President who hasn't been in office for a very long time. What that is is misogyny, pure and simple. It's assigning the faults of Bill Clinton, both real and imagined, to Hillary. Why? Because people who are doing that cannot possibly see the possibility of a woman in the presidency without wondering who would be telling her what to do. They don't want a woman as President. They didn't want a black man as President, either. Screw that!
There are reasons to not consider Hillary as the best possible Democratic candidate, and many people think she shouldn't be President, even some Democrats. But trying to hook her to Bill Clinton's past actions and rumors of past actions while refusing to recognize her own qualifications for the presidency is just plain misogynistic claptrap. Hillary is not Bill. They're two separate people. Bill wouldn't be dictating what Hillary should do. Clearly, she is quite capable of making decisions on her own. She's not dependent on her husband in any way I've ever noticed.
The right wing will, no doubt, continue to trot out stuff about Bill Clinton if Hillary decides to run. That's a given. Democrats, on the other hand, should not slavishly copy those accusations and that innuendo and spread them around. That's a weak argument, and an unfair one. It raises ugly questions when it happens.
Don't like Hillary? Tell us why. But don't use Bill Clinton as a reason to campaign against her. She's her own person.
Thanks for reading.
Hillary for the WIN, Bitches! First Woman Lesbian President Ever!
lunatica (30,052 posts)
4. The misogyny against Hillary will be as thick as the racism for Obama. The Republicans didn't do their best to cripple and destroy this country with their racist stand against Obama just to welcome Hillary as President. This country will not progress until they have someone like Ted Cruz as President.
VanillaRhapsody (15,727 posts)
40. thicker...I have lived in the rural Deep South for long enough to know that rightwing White men...fear women even more.....
Yes. for the next year and ten months we will get to hear how sexist the right is.
MineralMan (69,917 posts)
6. If you want to damn Hillary because of Bill, the onus
is on you to show how things relate to her and to prove that such things even happened. It's not my job. Attacking Hillary for things Bill is accused of doing is just lazy and wrong. If you want to attack Hillary, show us things she has done, not things her husband is supposed to have done. And it does appear that you want to attack Hillary.
I yield the floor to your arguments. Let's hear them.
By the way, Elizabeth Warren, who you appear to like, would not engage in such nasty behavior, I assure you. If Hillary Clinton is the eventual Democratic candidate, EW will support her and campaign for her, I guarantee.
VanillaRhapsody (15,727 posts)
80. You think there are ONLY Democrats on Democratic Underground?
If you aren't voting for the winner of the Primary...then you are Independent....FACTS are FACTS!
and the other facts are...Hillary has 61% of Democratic Support....Hillary is ahead of entire rest of the field by 50 points....not to mention she polls ahead of EVERY single Republican by double digits...
but the Left Leaning Independents would rather bet against THAT!
Warren is only polling at 11 points? Hmm... the only place I see that is Real Clear Politics.... they had Hillary beating every republican who might run by +10 points in a national election.
rhett o rick (41,258 posts)
106. How clever to try to get those opposed to HRC PPR'd, when you and other HRC supporters ask,
"If Hillary Clinton is nominated by the Democratic National Convention, will you support her and vote for her?" A negative answer is apt to get a PPR for violating the TOS, "But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees".
I guess it would be one big love fest if you could get all that oppose HRC removed. Most likely HRC will be the nominee as she has the Oligarchs on her side, like Goldman-Sachs. But many on the Left are tired of the pressure to vote for the Conservative Democrat's nominee as the least evil.
l think that Pres Clinton and Ms. Clinton have a lot in common in their politics but that's not why I won't support her. There are a lot of deserving Democrats that didn't betray their Party and Country. When betrayed, I can not forgive and forget.
I do kind of hope E Warren gets the nod. The DUmp will explode.
VanillaRhapsody (15,727 posts)
74. I have invested into MY Party.....and It is my pleasure to do so...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNHjBpsh0KQ[/youtube]
VanillaRhapsody (15,727 posts)
82. You damn skippy I am a loyal Democrat....just like my Grandparents before me...who were life long Democrats and voted for FDR! You cannot insult me by calling me a Loyal Democrat. Oh by the way...my grandfather was also a Loyal Union member!
They are not calling for a Loyalty Oath... oh no...
CrispyQ (19,191 posts)
14. Do you feel the same way about the Bushes? Jeb is not Dubya who was not Pappy so it's all cool.
MineralMan (69,917 posts)
24. Well, from what I can tell, the same people who don't want Hillary to be the candidate also seem to dislike President Obama. Presidents have to deal with the realities of Congress. Always. It's a constant issue, because we seem to forget to vote when it comes to Congress. We often end up with mixed-party governments. That's the reality. It's a pity, too. I can imagine what Obama might have accomplished with strong majorities in both houses. We (the voters) denied him the chance to do that.
That's rich.
treestar (54,034 posts)
115. Bill Clinton may be a cheater on his wife but he's not a misogynist. It doesn't quite track as the same thing.
Twisty Pretzel Logic
BlueCaliDem (8,054 posts)
50. Hillary Clinton is a SCORPIO. Ever met a Scorpio woman who did as you told her? I haven't.
WTF? 
And I raised both a Scorpio daughter and a Scorpio son - and although they were wonderfully dutiful children, always eager to learn, the cutest kids you just can't help but want to hug ALL DAY, they are headstrong, independent, hard-working adults today who can't be led astray or have the wool pulled over their eyes once they've made up their minds.
Scorpio women are actually men in a woman's body. Their only regret is that they weren't born male because they understand the power men are afforded and have in this and other countries. However, that doesn't stop her from being the most powerful and most independent woman in the world. So... Hillary is a Lesbian?
I have seen NO evidence that SoS Clinton would have or has ever allowed her husband to tell her what to do. She is her own individual, her own woman, her own person. She doesn't need any man to tell her anything because long before they try, she's already been there and done that; weighing the pros and cons of any difficult issue long before anyone has even come to that point. Scorpios are known for their incredible sixth sense and insight in any given situation.
If anything, SoS Clinton would make a formidable leader in each and every way. The question is...will that be to our benefit or to our detriment? Some Democrats say to our detriment, some say to our benefit. My opinion - and it's just my opinion - she will do everything in order to further President Obama's agenda because it's one she herself shares. And that's what we need.
It would be wonderful to have a President Hillary Rodham-Clinton and a Senate Majority Leader Elizabeth Warren. They would be perfect to ensure checks and balances and to avoid taking this country to the right. Ideally, the government I would like to see is President Hillary Rodham-Clinton, Senator Majority Leader Elizabeth Warren, and Speaker of the House Pelosi. The country would benefit greatly should those three women take the top position of power in this country.
Holy ****. Thats a full bag of crazy right there...
