Lack of evidence isn't proof

[dutch508]

The CTs are starting to come out of the woodwork.

justiceischeap (11,644 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025878370

"Michael Brown wasn't shot in the back, so Wilson didn't shoot at him while he was running away"
I've been seeing this a whole lot on DU and other places as proof that Wilson didn't shoot at a fleeing Brown.

A total of 12 shots were fired. Michael Brown had 6 bullet holes in his body. That leaves 6 bullets unaccounted for. However, we know where two of those bullets went--one in the door panel of Wilson's SUV and the other in a woman's apartment. That leaves a total of 4 bullets unaccounted for.

We know from grand jury testimony that the scene wasn't measured because according to the crime scene tech giving testimony, there was no need to measure the scene, it was obvious what happened. So this would lead one to assume that bullet trajectory wasn't investigated either. We also have Drs. Baden and Wecht stating that one of the bullet wounds in Browns' arm goes in through the back of his arm and comes out the front--that's better than JFKs magic bullet if Wilson wasn't ever shooting at Brown while he was running away.

The point of this post is this: Just because Brown wasn't hit in the back doesn't mean Wilson didn't shoot as he was running away. Lack of evidence isn't proof, it just means that there isn't evidence available to prove definitively (outside eyewitness accounts) that Wilson shot while Brown was running away. However, I would say between Drs. Wecht and Baden, we DO have proof that Brown was shot while running away.

BTW, Wecht seems pretty adamant that the bullet trajectory in Brown's autopsy pretty much proves that Michael Brown had his arms raised at some point when he was shot and he also touches on the one wound that goes in the back and comes out the front.

Spin will go on for decades.

justiceischeap (11,644 posts)
3. It wasn't photographed by the initial coroner on scene because his batteries were dead

Just FYI, my hobby is photography and I always have a fresh battery (and my living and crime scene integrity doesn't rely on it). There was a second coroner (St. Louis County, I believe) who finally photographed the scene. I suspect this is why Brown's body really lay out there so long. They were waiting for the St. Louis County coroner to come with his camera to photograph the scene.

 

 

Strelnikov_ (6,749 posts)
85. Pretty clear diagram in the Post Dispatch of the crime scene That definitively makes Wilson's testimony suspect.

For one, the body ended up 150' plus from the prowler.

For two, the body ended up just slightly closer to the cruiser than all but two of the shell casings.

So, if he was waiting for backup/fearing for his life, why was he 150'+from his prowler.

My opinion of the event:

1) Barney Fife, calls the perp over.

2) In ensuing discussion with perp, Barney draws gun.

3) Scuffle ensues as perp unlawfully defends himself from Barney from being executed for jaywalking. A couple of shots are discharged.

4) Perp breaks and runs. Barney pursues perp, starts throwing shots at fleeing perp.

5) When perp, possibly after being struck in arm by one of Barney's shots, stops, turns around.

6) Barney continues to shoot. Perp walks toward Barney making suspicious gestures because he is a demon . . . or just maybe . . . because he is being shot.

7) Support shows up, realizes that they never should of let Barney take the bullet out of his pocket, coverup begins (ergo no statement, no pictures, no shooting report filed by Barney, etc. etc. etc. etc.).

Now, does this rise to Barney being charged with homicide. Doubtful. On the other hand . . . this absolutely rises to Barney being fired, charged with something that will prevent him from ever being a cop again, and making a huge payout to the family. It was incompetence beyond belief, enabled by the latent racism evident in law enforcement today.

It was a bad shoot.

Made criminal IMHO by the way it was subsequently handled by authorities. The same way they handle virtually all shootings of persons of color, and persons of non-color on the 'wrong side' of the economic divide.

 

Indydem (1,892 posts)
5. You should read up a bit on Wecht. I wouldn't use his insane ass to prop up my case.

The guy is a corrupt loon.

 

ncjustice80 (351 posts)
67. Cite sources.

Everything he says confirms the majority opinion here tjat this was a conspiracy undertaken to cover up Michael Browns execution by Wilson, a KKK member. How many other members of Ferguson PD are also secret hood wearers????

That's a new one. Wilson was a KKK member? Sure... 

ncjustice80 (351 posts)
89. Sounds like someone waa a Republikkkan plant. Trying to diacredit Wecht. MIRT alert?

must stiffle anyone not 'toeing teh line'

uponit7771 (20,778 posts)
6. THIS IS PIVOTAL!! Wilson "claims he never shot at Brown..FROM..the back after the FPD said he did!!!... The shooting at Brown from the back establishes that Wilson wanted to kill even while there was no danger present. There are MANY more witness's that said Wilson shot at Brown .... FROM ...

indivisibleman (352 posts)
69. Wilson shot at Brown from the back and hit him at least once. Probably one of the arm shots. This is what appears to have stopped him from running away and turning in an effort to stop the shooting. Brown put his hand up in surrender and then Wilson gunned him down. Plain and simple. Can you point me to where the FPD said he did shoot at him from the back. I will have to check my records on this and see if I have a quote on this.
Thanks.

heaven05 (7,700 posts)
11. some of the people responding to this OP? Un****ingbelievable!!!! It was an execution, pure and simple without the willfully ignorant comments displayed

Thespian2 (303 posts)
13. Wilson got all the help he needed.

His supervisor never wrote any notes or made Wilson write an immediate report. Important to give Wilson a month with his attorney to concoct a bizarre "account" of what Wilson needed to say.

The prosecutor was Wilson's defence attorney. He never intended to get a true bill.

The mishandling of the grand jury could not have been staged better.

Riots were helped by the police. Consider the 8 pm announcement of verdict.

Anyone who has watched the videos and followed the trial knows that Darren Wilson was pissed off at the two black bastards who didn't respect his authority. He was not afraid of Brown. He wanted to kill him. Otherwise, he would never have chased him, shooting him until he was dead.

I truly hope the prosecutor and Wilson get what is coming to them...Hell on earth. May they never breathe another peaceful breath.

heaven05 (7,700 posts)
37. "the facts" were fictions

or obfuscations and outright support of all wilsonthepig stated and complete disregard for witnesses on the scene who said it was an execution, which it was. Actually the wilsonthepig supporters are really an insult to decent americans. A total insult, disgraceful, shameful, an egregious affront, outrageous and shows a complete contempt for the truth and Michael Browns right to the vaunted 'due process' which in this case came out the business end of a weapon held by the cowardly murderer/executioner wilsonthepig.

heaven05 (7,700 posts)
44. These "witnesses" were the

ones needed to corroborate the wilsonthepig testimony, statement(s) made after a month of being able to shape the story. The 'witnesses' could be and more than likely ARE lying agents of the DA and or police. I don't buy 'truth' from any of these people. Michael Brown was executed. Period. The month long shaping of a defense given to wilsonthepig definitely gave 'the state' time to coach 'witnesses' in the testimony. People are not buying into this travesty because there are too many, "damn how is this possible" moments'. I don't give a damn about this running unarmed toward a gun BS. In Vietnam, I NEVER saw a person run openly toward the business end of a weapon. And everyone was armed. And everyone found cover if they weren't already hit. This 'testimony' is BULLSHIT. There are people out here who think constantly, can see through obvious BULLSHIT and know the truth of this situation. Others won't because they need to hold on to their.......

   

Sooooo... no body ever attacked your position while you where in Vietnam? How lucky for you.

heaven05 (7,700 posts)
70. you must believe what

you must, I shall believe what I know is the truth. This was an execution by a racist cop who knew he would be protected and eventually exonerated. Went into hiding immediately. None of the normal procedures have been followed throughout this case. To have a month to create witnesses and testimony with what ever legal coercion or leading questions that were allowed in THIS grand jury, or sweetners, is not normal. To allow wilsonthepig a month of coaching and developing a narrative, unconscionable. Right after the murder he should have been told to write a report. Nope. Never did, until he went into hiding and got the proper coaching. Look here, I know that for some on here they believe that 'demon' story because it fits the fears they may have about black people, males in particular and that I will NEVER be able to change that ancient hate of white against black. I, without any doubt whatsoever, feel it was racist murder and I totally disagree with all the wilsonthepig lovers here and elsewhere. I will NEVER change that, contrived evidence or not. More than likely contrived given the racist nature of the town and it's policing MO.

[Carl]

Still the DUmbasses wonder why normal people either mock them or turn their heads in disgust.

[thundley4]

Riots were helped by the police. Consider the 8 pm announcement of verdict.

I'm sick of this BS meme the left is purveying.  It would not have mattered when the announcement was made. It could have been made at the break of dawn and the protesters would have hit the streets, and the hoodrats would have waited for the cover of darkness to start rioting and looting.  That's just the way Obamaites are, most of them don't wake up until late afternoon.

[ChuckJ]

I think it's been said before, but I'll say it again. All of this could easily be solved with some cinder blocks, chicken wire, balled up newspaper and kerosene.

[I_B_Perky]

heaven05 (7,700 posts)
44. These "witnesses" were the

ones needed to corroborate the wilsonthepig testimony, statement(s) made after a month of being able to shape the story. The 'witnesses' could be and more than likely ARE lying agents of the DA and or police. I don't buy 'truth' from any of these people. Michael Brown was executed. Period. The month long shaping of a defense given to wilsonthepig definitely gave 'the state' time to coach 'witnesses' in the testimony. People are not buying into this travesty because there are too many, "damn how is this possible" moments'. I don't give a damn about this running unarmed toward a gun BS. In Vietnam, I NEVER saw a person run openly toward the business end of a weapon. And everyone was armed. And everyone found cover if they weren't already hit. This 'testimony' is BULLSHIT. There are people out here who think constantly, can see through obvious BULLSHIT and know the truth of this situation. Others won't because they need to hold on to their.......

Well dummie, the Vietnamese weren't stupid enough to do that. The boyz in the hood like Brown? Not so much.

Personally dummie,  I think it all boiled down to one thing: Brown's thuggery attitude. His thuggery attitude ran up against an armed,  trained police officer and it got him fatally shot. It was really just a matter of time in my opinion. Sooner or later he was going to run up against someone bigger and badder than his fat ass and it was gonna cost him. If he was lucky, he would just end up with an ass kicking. He wasn't and now he is worm food.  Can't say I care either. Does that make me racist? Can't say I care about that either.

[DumbAss Tanker]

PhDs from the Alex Jones School of Contranormal Theorizing ("CT," for short), demonstrating what kind of output you get when you "Think all the time" after discarding any data that conflicts with your predetermined outcome, and you watch a lot of ridiculously-intricate and far-fetched plotting on TV crime dramas.

[obumazombie]

Their fertile vivid imaginations are inspired by their depravity.

[JohnnyReb]

I haven't seen Mike Browns body so I have no proof he's dead.

[FlippyDoo]

I haven't seen Mike Browns body so I have no proof he's dead.

If he's not dead and they removed his brain during the autopsy he could actually be posting at DU at this very minute.

[FlaGator]

If he's not dead and they removed his brain during the autopsy he could actually be posting at DU at this very minute.

The body is posting, not the brain... right?

[FlippyDoo]

The body is posting, not the brain... right?

Naturally. If you can find a brain posting at DU it usually means you've found a mole.

[USA4ME]

heaven05

In Vietnam, I NEVER saw a person run openly toward the business end of a weapon.

I suppose that means in history no field commander has ever given the order to "CHARGE!!" based upon your experience alone.

I'm guessing the only thing you did in Vietnam was peel potatoes.

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[Dori]

If the store owner that he strong armed had shot him dead, in front or while running away, we would have never heard the name Michael Brown.



 

[JohnnyReb]

I suppose that means in history no field commander has ever given the order to "CHARGE!!" based upon your experience alone.

I'm guessing the only thing you did in Vietnam was peel potatoes.
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DUmmies can't even peel powdered potatoes.

[Big Dog]

I suppose that means in history no field commander has ever given the order to "CHARGE!!" based upon your experience alone.

I'm guessing the only thing you did in Vietnam was peel potatoes.

The DUmmy did 364 days of his tour in the Long Binh Jail (for attempting to surrender to the NVA immediately after stepping off the plane in Da Nang).

The first lesson he learned in the LBJ was 'do not run toward the guard towers'.

The second was a lesson in prison economy, involved blowjobs and cigarettes.

The DUmmy has relied on those two bits of knowledge for the last 40 years.

[DefiantSix]

...I'm guessing the only thing you did in Vietnam was peel potatoes.

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My first guess was running a typewriter - poorly.