LostInAnomie (14,174 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025799830
So, have we decided who we are purging from the party yet?
Democrats in red states need to know now so they have plenty of time to find replacements that won't piss people on the internet off.
Scootaloo (14,455 posts)
1. The idea of favoring liberals over conservatives really seems to worry you
Er... What?
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
2. Yes, that would be how someone with no understanding of politics would see it.
The problem is that "liberals" as we on DU would define them are pretty much unelectable in red states.
Scootaloo (14,455 posts)
5. I understand that that's the "delivered wisdom."
So, what, Allison Grimes lost because she was too liberal and didn't attack Obama and the Affordable care Act harshly enough, then?
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
7. Yeah, I'm sure she would have faired much better by coming out for gun control...
... and putting restrictions on coal power production. That would have gone over GREAT in Kentucky.
Politics is local and doesn't respond well to orthodoxy.
Wait... Huh!? What is it that you are arguing for?
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
13. Would she have won running on Bernie Sanders platform?
Allison Grimes was running as a Democrat in a traditionally red state. She was running against the most powerful Republican in DC in an off year election. Let's not pretend she wasn't fighting uphill in the first place
So... Are you suggesting that you a) Run as a Conservative Democrat in a Red State or 2) Just give up the solid Red States as lost?
I am really trying to follow your discussion but FUQUE!...
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
18. You're awfully devoted to an argument that no one has made.
What pure Liberal would have stood a chance in KY?
Uh...
Scootaloo (14,455 posts)
26. Your argument is that we need conservative democrats to win conservative states
Well, we tried that in Kentucky (and other places) and lost.
I'm asking if you believe Grimes would have won if she were more conservative.
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
37. Are we just making shit up now?
You would either have to have serious reading comprehension problems, or be really ****ing dense to come up with the shit you just wrote.
The Democratic Party of a state decides which candidate they will run for election. They nominate the person they think has the best chance to win. If the Democrats of KY thought Grimes was the best choice, who they **** are you to second guess them?
But, since you think you know better than people that actually live in these places, which members of Congress should they look to remove from the party?
But... but... you just said....
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
65. "Well, okay. So we need to run conservative Democrats to win conservative states, right? "
No, Mr. Strawman that's not what I said. I'll walk you through it because you can't seem to grasp simple ideas. < >"The problem is that "liberals" as we on DU would define them..."
DU defines liberals very narrowly. You either accept the leftmost position available fully or you aren't a true liberal. Deviance from orthodoxy is not accepted as valid. Think Sanders, Kucinich, and Warren. DU would define them as liberals.
"...are pretty much unelectable in red states."
Candidates like Sanders, Kucinich, and Warren, would not be electable in most red states. Dennis Kucinich wasn't even electable in his own district after it wasn't gerrymandered for him. This doesn't mean that Democrats have to be DINOs or run as conservatives to win in red states. What it does mean is they have to take positions that make them palatable to the electorate. Any person that understands politics understands this.
Allison Grimes wouldn't have improved her chances by running to the right. But, she would have been destroyed running as a far left candidate. Obama has a 31% approval rating in KY. 56% of KY hates "Obamacare". How do you think hugging stuff with approval like that would help her cause?
Fuque... I am totally lost.
Aerows (27,867 posts)
79. Where did you get your numbers for people that oppose the Obamacare in Kentucky? 58% of the people in Kentucky like it. I have no idea why you are making up statistics that anyone with a second on Google or Bing prove incorrect in about 5 seconds.
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
88. Calm your pathetic indignation.
But a 56 percent majority disliked Obamacare...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/12/kynect-obamacare_n_5310263.html
In Kentucky, a new Marist poll conducted for NBC News finds that 57 percent of registered voters have an unfavorable view of “Obamacare,â€
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/polling-obamacare-label-makes-big-difference-n102861
Now, go back to googling people's post history.
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
10. Yeah, I'm sure if only she would have backed gun control more... and talked more about subsidizing solar so we can get rid of coal she would have glided to victory. I mean there's nothing Kentuckians want more than to end coal.
JUST TELL ME WHO WE ARE GONNA PURGE!!!!!
bravenak (7,307 posts)
14. I thought a purge involved a green juice of some sort? I don't do weird drinks myself.
bravenak (7,307 posts)
33. Now I need a joint!! None of this is going to work. We are just going to have to get used to the idea that liberal policies won, weak liberals lost. Now, not everywhere, but mostly. We need a new agenda. More liberal, more fight, classic liberal shit.
Oy! Yes, please run more hard leftists!!
bravenak (7,307 posts)
63. I can smell bullshit from a mile a way. You learn a lot about people and psychology working in Strip Clubs for five years. Especially about penis talkers and such.
Get women naked in a dark room full of people and you see what people really are if you are the product. People are bullshitters, easy to read even from miles away.
Now... the above doesn't make much sense unless you read the sub-thread above it. THEN it doesn't make much sense... but there is a reference to someone having a big Penis...
Aerows (27,867 posts)
38. Please! on DU2 He started a self-appreciation thread praising his penis size and sexual prowess. Know what you are dealing with. I have a link to it down thread.
AND he does have a link to it...
Rex (47,729 posts)
42. Well he did bring up pointless masturbation. Personally he lost me when he said DU is full of stupid crazy people. He can keep trying hard as far as I care. Evidently he has major cred and so we should listen.
Now wait just a gawddammed minute! NO masterbation is pointless!
Aerows (27,867 posts)
75. Too true
Though I like the conversations I'm having in it with genuine DUers.
We have some intelligent people on this board, and I love interacting with them.
That said, the OP was flamebait, but it's kind of a bust, too. Now everyone knows that posters history and comments.
sabrina 1 (47,189 posts)
17. Ask The Third Way. THEY have been purging Liberals for several decades now. Any actual Progressive
Dems in the current Presidential Cabinet? Any Liberals invited to the WH on a regular basis to discuss important issues?
It's a good question, how many MORE Liberals will be purged from their party before WE do something about it?
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
20. You mean voters have been purging them. Since, you know, that is who elects people.
sabrina 1 (47,189 posts)
27. Wrong, in 2010 voters made sure almost all the Progressive Dems retained their seats. Had the Third Way leadership not supported Dinos over Progressives in several races, the voters would have put MORE Liberals in Congress. But the the Party Leadership insisted on putting their money and energy into supporting candidates the voters clearly stated they would not support. THEY lost, voters keep their word, maybe the Party should listen.
And this time voters went out and supported Progressive Issues wherever they appeared on the Ballot. They again told DC THIS is what we want.
The party supported Chris Christie over Buono, a good Democratic candidate. An outrage actually that probably lost them even more voters.
The Third Way purges Liberals by not letting them run and if some do the Third Way makes sure to heavily finance their choice of candidates. It's been long process, but little by little they are purging Liberals from the Dem Party.
uh...
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
31. Yeah, Alan Grayson is a real conserva-dem.
"The Third Way purges Liberals by not letting them run"
I'm really doubting you know how elections work.
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
21. If there isn't going to be a purge, then what is the ****ing point... of all the nonsense talk about getting rid of "turd way" democrats?
If you aren't actually going to do anything it's pointless masturbation.
LostInAnomie (14,174 posts)
46. Yeah, liberals are doing great in Mississippi.
With their Republican governor, Republican state Congress and Senate, both Republican senators, and three out of four Republican congressmen.
"On DU2, you bragged about your "huge wiener" in a self-appreciation thread."
Good job on looking up a 6 year old lounge post. Now, go back to your fainting couch so you can fan yourself.
bravenak (7,307 posts)
83. I read a lot of fantasy and Dystopian. Too much fiction. GRRM.
Makes me sort of idealistic. I do write poetry. Trying to finish some fiction too. I feel like I should get all my posts together that make any type of sense and make it into a book. My musings on politics in America.
Thank you for saying that. I love words and how they make people feel about life. Words are powerful.
This whole thread was so over the map... I left out an entire section about DU2 circa 2008.
I still say we purge all of DU though...
