http://www.democraticunderground.com/11583333Oh my.
It's been a long time since we've had a primitive vs. commode thread, where usually the primitive loses.
Paper Roses (5,233 posts) Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:14 AM
Exciting Toilet question, can you advise?
For the past 2 weeks or so, the toilet in my upstairs bathroom sounded like it was running all the time. I could see no ripples in the bowl, wiped off the black rubber cap at the base of the refill apparatus. No Luck. I finally gave up and shut off the water.
My son-in-law came over 2 days ago and, after checking things out, replaced the 'Toilet Fill Valve'. This replacement gizmo was made by Fluidmaster. The constant 'fill' sound has stopped.
After the work was done, he told me he adjusted the 'water level adjusting screw' to regulate the amount of water that goes into the refill process. This toilet is a 45 year old American Standard unit that has a very large water capacity in the tank. Saving some of the water is a good thing. It had flushed and filled for what seemed like a long time.
New problem. Maybe this is in relation to the adjustment.
At random times, I can hear what sounds like a 2 or 3 second fill. I can't figure out what is happening. I would like to stop this event. I can't call son-in- law back, he came from a good distance to do the job for me.
Any ideas what is wrong? Any help would be appreciated.
CurtEastPoint (5,276 posts) Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:24 AM
1. omg I had the same thing.
In my case it turns out that little pieces of rust from the metal widgets in there were causing tiny leaks in the flapper. I'd suck out all the water, totally flush it out and make sure it's pristine in there then refill and test. Annoying! And wasteful!
calikid (209 posts) Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:56 AM
2. Replace the flapper on the bottom of the tank too.
That's where your leak is. Any one can do it. Turn off the water, flush the toilet, reach down in the tank and detach the flapper valve from the stand pipe by pulling on the little tabs on each side, up and to the side. Take it to any Hardware store and get a replacement.
Warpy (79,499 posts) Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:38 PM
4. The flap valve dies frequently relative to the other guts.
One of the things the previous homeowners told me was that the toilet would fill constantly from time to time. I replaced the flap valve and shortened the chain one link and haven't had the problem, at all.
The constantly filling toilet is usually an easy fix. Most of them can be fixed with a new flap valve and replacing the filler assembly itself is usually pretty easy.
JayhawkSD (1,502 posts) Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:32 AM
3. You may have to replace the flapper.
And polish the seat that it seals against. If there is a tiny nick in the seat then you will have to replace the seat as well.
Sometimes a kind of slimy fungus builds up on the underside of the flapper. It will allow a tiny amount of water to pass. If it feels slimy clean it with CLR cleaner and clean the flapper seat as well. Do not use any abrasive cleaners, not even Soft Scrub. They will leave tiny nicks in the seat that will pass water.
If your best efforts don't resolve it, call a plumber or replace the toilet with a low volume flush model. Adjusting the water level did not save much water; like a proverbial drop in a bucket. 45 years is a full life for a toilet; it doesn't owe you anything and you are wasting a lot of water every time you flush it, even after adjusting the level.
Wash. state Desk Jet (2,045 posts) Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:22 PM
5. Given the age of the toilet
it may be even a new flapper cannot seal around the flush valve seat because the flush valve seat is worn and uneven. When for example a toilet is rebuilt all parts in the tank and tank to bowl are replaced.
There is however a repair kit you can buy at HD or lowe's that slips on to the top of the flush valve seat thus allowing the flapper to seat itself correctly. That or rebuild the tank by replacing all inner tank parts and tank to bowl parts. Since you already replaced the fill valve ,that part isn't necessary. The fill tube and the the seat the flapper seals off are connected or one piece.
If you have never rebuilt that tank and tank to bowl parts meaning replaced all parts,, it just may be about time you do that.
Or get the repair kit for the flush valve seat, about $ 8.00
Paper Roses (5,233 posts) Sun Oct 26, 2014, 06:38 AM
6. Thanks as always for your great advice.
My son-in-law will be coming within the next couple of weeks to tend to this. Meanwhile, there is always downstairs. What a pain in the pa-toot. When these old bones were about 20 years younger, I would have done this myself. Now, if I can't get family to help, it is a big bill out of a small income.*
How life changes before we even think much about it.
*but oddly, her small income's no deterrent to her filling her home to the rafters with garage sale junk that she plans to re-sell, but never does.
