JFK killed is major turning point in US history...

[mamacags]

It has been a really long time since I have seen BFEE  used.  I sort of missed it.

[DumbAss Tanker]

It's funny, how we think along not-quite-parallel-but-nearly-parallel lines.

I just started reading that rabid Johnson-hater Robert Cato's book Lyndon Johnson: The Path to Power, which goes to 1941.

As you know, I have feelings of affection for Lyndon; after all, he was the best Democrat president in my lifetime--Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and 0bumbles can't hold a candle to him--but more so out of sympathy simply because he proved that old adage, "no good deed goes unpunished."

Here, he gave the minorities, the poor, the young, the aged, all these goodies (of course paid for by other people).....and then they turned on him.  Talk about blatant ingratitude.

I used to have a more benign opinion of him, until various 'Now that he's gone...' revelations about his WW2 service and his some of his baser partisan comments about the whole civil rights/war-on-poverty battle surfaced.  Although even back in the day, some of the stories that even his fans told in the 'What a character' vein left kind of a bad taste in my mouth.  I would give it to you that his motives for the social legislation had a certain altruistic element, among other less admirable factors.

[Chris_]

I used to have a more benign opinion of him, until various 'Now that he's gone...' revelations about his WW2 service and his some of his baser partisan comments about the whole civil rights/war-on-poverty battle surfaced.  Although even back in the day, some of the stories that even his fans told in the 'What a character' vein left kind of a bad taste in my mouth.  I would give it to you that his motives for the social legislation had a certain altruistic element, among other less admirable factors.

I can't say I've ever had a positive opinion of him.  The disastrous result of his 'Great Society' legislation coupled with his blatant racism (whether it was true or not), leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Growing up around generations of blacks born and raised in public ghettos did not help.

"I'll have those ******s voting Democrat for the next 100 years."

[delilahmused]

What the hell would Bush Sr. have to gain by killing Kennedy? It's not like he was 2nd in line. And no one in their right mind would want Johnson anywhere near the police action in Vietnam where Kerry served. Except on Christmas when he was in Cambodia.

Cindie

[franksolich]

I used to have a more benign opinion of him, until various 'Now that he's gone...' revelations about his WW2 service and his some of his baser partisan comments about the whole civil rights/war-on-poverty battle surfaced.  Although even back in the day, some of the stories that even his fans told in the 'What a character' vein left kind of a bad taste in my mouth.  I would give it to you that his motives for the social legislation had a certain altruistic element, among other less admirable factors.

I know, but when all things are considered--Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton, and Obumbles--he stands tall among them, all the Democrat presidents of my lifetime.

But mostly, my feelings of affection for him are because of all the grief he took from the ungrateful asses and jerks--the minorities, the poor, the aged, the young--he'd done so much to help (agreed, with other people's, not his, money).  They should've been kissing his ass, not kicking it.

Johnson proved one of my fundamental beliefs about life and society--some people, they just aren't worth the time and trouble being nice to.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Ya know, if someone wants to hand-feed a crocodile, I don't have any sympathy for them when they pull back a bloody stump. 

[franksolich]

Ya know, if someone wants to hand-feed a crocodile, I don't have any sympathy for them when they pull back a bloody stump.

True.

I remember as a kid, watching the progression of Lyndon Johnson from a strong, vibrant, vigorous being declining into utter misery and wretchedness and premature old age, in newspaper photographs and on the covers of weekly newsmagazines.

It seemed so sad; the more this guy was giving his constituencies, the more they loathed and despised him, the ungrateful asses.

No matter how much he gave them, they were never going to like him.

I think part of my partial respect--it's certainly nowhere near as much as that I have for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and the second Bush--for Lyndon Johnson is that here was a man who paid for his sins (of which there were many) in this life.  He paid and paid and paid.  In this life.

As compared with, for example, Vast Teddy, who wasn't bothered a whit, paid no "penalties," suffered nothing, for his profligacies in this time and place.

[Carl]

True.

I remember as a kid, watching the progression of Lyndon Johnson from a strong, vibrant, vigorous being declining into utter misery and wretchedness and premature old age, in newspaper photographs and on the covers of weekly newsmagazines.

It seemed so sad; the more this guy was giving his constituencies, the more they loathed and despised him, the ungrateful asses.

No matter how much he gave them, they were never going to like him.

I think part of my partial respect--it's certainly nowhere near as much as that I have for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and the second Bush--for Lyndon Johnson is that here was a man who paid for his sins (of which there were many) in this life.  He paid and paid and paid.  In this life.

As compared with, for example, Vast Teddy, who wasn't bothered a whit, paid no "penalties," suffered nothing, for his profligacies in this time and place.

The word "gimme" has no period after it.
There is no end to what a person will want if they are the sort that expects things handed to them.

[Eupher]

Except he pretty much confined himself to foreign policy and tail.

Then he brought in his snotty little brother Bobby, and turned the domestic side of his administration over to Harvard social engineers.

JFK, the young pup, had his ass handed to him in Vienna by Khrushchev. One of the ass-kickings he took on the foreign policy side of things, and I didn't even bring up the Bay of Pigs. JFK also took more ass-kicking when the Berlin Wall went up in Aug. 61. The confrontation at Checkpoint Charlie between U.S. and Soviet tanks in which everybody was locked and loaded (Oct. 61) was yet another flash point.

JFK's foreign policy record wasn't exactly stellar in his first couple of years.

[DumbAss Tanker]

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As compared with, for example, Vast Teddy, who wasn't bothered a whit, paid no "penalties," suffered nothing, for his profligacies in this time and place.

Well now, I have always thought that to some certain degree he did, since the consequences of his own folly and dissipation ultimately kept him from the one thing he most wanted, the Presidency.  Certainly he had a lifetime tenure on his Senate seat, thanks to the power of his family and the blood of his brothers, but his ultimate failure as a Presidential candidate led to a cycle of degeneration from young prodigal to ancient, swollen dissolute sot.

[Eupher]

Well now, I have always thought that to some certain degree he did, since the consequences of his own folly and dissipation ultimately kept him from the one thing he most wanted, the Presidency.  Certainly he had a lifetime tenure on his Senate seat, thanks to the power of his family and the blood of his brothers, but his ultimate failure as a Presidential candidate led to a cycle of degeneration from young prodigal to ancient, swollen dissolute sot.

On target, as usual.

I'd offer, however, that Vast Teddy never spent a day in jail as a result of Chappaquiddick. IIRC, he went home to sober up after the incident, not bothering to call the police until late the next morning. Per Wiki, a suspended two-month jail sentence for leaving the scene of an accident.

The stink of cronyism was so hugely intertwined with this incident that it boggled the mind, and yet he walked and talked and made speeches and lived the high life, even as a senator. Yeah, he never made it to the presidency.

Thank God. It's just a tragedy that Mary Jo Kopechne had to pay for that development with her life. Without Chappaquiddick, had Teddy run in 1972, he might've beaten Nixon as he'd have been riding on the sympathy of his brothers' deaths, as you pointed out. And he certainly would have taken out Jimmuh in the 1976 primaries as Carter was a relative unknown governor of Georgia.

[Carl]

On target, as usual.

I'd offer, however, that Vast Teddy never spent a day in jail as a result of Chappaquiddick. IIRC, he went home to sober up after the incident, not bothering to call the police until late the next morning. Per Wiki, a suspended two-month jail sentence for leaving the scene of an accident.

The stink of cronyism was so hugely intertwined with this incident that it boggled the mind, and yet he walked and talked and made speeches and lived the high life, even as a senator. Yeah, he never made it to the presidency.

Thank God. It's just a tragedy that Mary Jo Kopechne had to pay for that development with her life. Without Chappaquiddick, had Teddy run in 1972, he might've beaten Nixon as he'd have been riding on the sympathy of his brothers' deaths, as you pointed out. And he certainly would have taken out Jimmuh in the 1976 primaries as Carter was a relative unknown governor of Georgia.

Dead Ted was the human embodiment of the rot which is now the democrat party.
Not once did he show remorse for the horrific death Mary Jo suffered (she asphyxiated in an ever smaller air pocket,not drowned) and in fact actually made glib remarks about it.
His conduct in the Robert Bork hearings was unconscionable and further sent democrats down the road of vicious lies and character assassination that has brought us to the evil,soulless entity it is today.

[Big Dog]

I voted for franksolich.

The truth is out there.

[Wineslob]

What the hell would Bush Sr. have to gain by killing Kennedy? It's not like he was 2nd in line. And no one in their right mind would want Johnson anywhere near the police action in Vietnam where Kerry served. Except on Christmas when he was in Cambodia.

Cindie

Nazi's, it's all about the Nazi's.   

[txradioguy]

TBF (26,313 posts)
4. Eisenhower warned us -

No you moron!  He was warning about Communism!!!


As for Octafish...I think he's the idiot on the DU FB Page for disgruntled current and former Dummies taht posts all the stupid JFK conspiracy sh*t all the time.

[Ralph Wiggum]

No you moron!  He was warning about Communism!!!


As for Octafish...I think he's the idiot on the DU FB Page for disgruntled current and former Dummies taht posts all the stupid JFK conspiracy sh*t all the time.

Octafish is the resident "BFEE & JFK conspiracy expert".  An abject fruit loop.  SR and I always have to chuckle at his ridiculous threads.

[BattleHymn]

I thought this one was so funny, I passed it around to some co-workers.  They all thought  it was hilarious, too.  Nice find, dutch.   

[Ralph Wiggum]

I thought this one was so funny, I passed it around to some co-workers.  They all thought  it was hilarious, too.  Nice find, dutch.   

Obviously, a lot of people are familiar with the various conspiracy theories surrounding JFK's death.  But to see the "in-depth" wacko claims at the DUmp and their ilk is just hilarious.  The nut-jobs are truly invested in dreaming up the most bizarre and accepting far reaching little conclusions makes my head hurt but also makes me laugh a lot.  It must be painful to live in their world.