Gunpowder residue found on 18-year-old in St. Louis police shooting

[dutch508]

philosslayer (401 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014917979

Gunpowder residue found on 18-year-old in St. Louis police shooting

Well the police clearly learned a lesson after Michael Brown's murder. Very "convenient" evidence... and so quick!!

 

Of course sane people already knew what the outcome was going to be. Of course Sane People don't inhabit the DUmp. One vote for Planted evidence.

philosslayer (401 posts)
2. Nothing was "put to rest" There is no proof that Vonderrit fired at the police officer. The article says as much.

They found the gun. The matched the bullets to the gun. The power residue is on the perp's hands and clothes... Still doesn't prove anything. 

KingCharlemagne (119 posts)
39. We have no such thing. We have a report in the LA Times of a release from the

St. Louis PD reporting supposedly the results conducted by the MO State Highway Patrol.

Why isn't the State Highway Patrol commenting on this? Why isn't that old whore the LA Times doing its job as journalists and instead functioning as little more than whores for the St. Louis PD?

And why are you so uncritically accepting and propagating the pigs' line? Are you a cop?

A vote for the report is false.

intaglio (8,130 posts)
79. You really want police violence to be ignored, don't you? BTW the other "quick and easy" test would be fingerprinting the weapon and rounds and comparing them to Myers fingerprints. Funny how the results of that test have not been trumpetted.

Um... I am gonna go with a vote for Bush's fault. However- ballistics and fingerprint evidence does take longer that a bio-scan of the perp's hands and clothes...

GGJohn (162 posts)
50. I get the feeling that even if there was video of Myers shooting at the cop you would still claim the cop excuted Myers.
Well, thank the good lord that your proclamation doesn't affect the investigation, which is, with the latest evidence, looking more and more that this was a justifiable homicide.

 

KingCharlemagne (119 posts)
53. Are you a cop? This report in the whore publication the LA Times proves absolutely nothing except in the minds of pig lovers who've already made their minds up.

KingCharlemagne (119 posts)
62. I'll bet you believed the LA Times when it reported in 2002 that Iraq had WMDs.
See, once the LA Times failed on that, it lost credibility, just like the NY Times. Except in the minds of the already convinced, aka, the pig lovers.

cstanleytech (7,057 posts)
10. I personally want to see what the fingerprint tests come back with on the gun. If they find the kids prints on the gun and on the ammo inside it (assuming they think to check it) then it would be difficult to argue with the officers version of events.

Yes- it will be another day of civil unrest in Ferguson I am sure...

Spitfire of ATJ (18,057 posts)
12. I'd like to see who's prints (if any) are on the shells....It's too easy to make a dead hand plant prints on a throw down gun in the field.

Vote for planted evidence

Spitfire of ATJ (18,057 posts)
18. Thats enough to make white people feel good about another dead black youth.

 

KingCharlemagne (119 posts)
68. Oh, 'execution' is putting it politely. How about 'gunned him down with 17 shots like a dog.'
What's the name of that killer cop, btw? Or are the SLPD too chickenshit to release it?

KingCharlemagne (119 posts)
65. Funny how if the execution of Myers was so righteous, the SLPD can't release the killer pig's name. Probably b/c the SLPD is helping aid and abet his flight, much as the Ferguson PD did with the killer cop Wilson (whose name had to be drug out of them).
Righteous extra-judicial execution by anonymous pig.

freshwest (46,426 posts)
80. My first impression on this story, before going to the link matches the link:

Last edited Wed Oct 15, 2014, 06:06 AM - Edit history (1)

“Individuals shot at close range can have gunshot residue deposited onto their hands,” the statement said. “The presence of gunshot residue on the jeans and shirt could be from being in the environment of a discharged weapon or coming in contact with an object with gunshot residue on it.”

If the officer (who was not a police officer acting as law enforcement but as a private security guard) was upclose or the young man held his hands up, it might account for the GSR.

And we are speculating from what is in media reports and not the official reports nor what would be used in a trial. We still don't know, no reason for the vitriol down thread.

This may mean nothing at all to culpability when it's fully reviewed, and we probably will not get all the facts to discuss it even then.

Until then, we still obliged to regard this shooting with great suspicion.

EDIT for branford: The company the shooter worked for also has a record of not following the best practices. Companies do not pay out settlements to make people happy. See the link:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/11/security-firm-involved-in-st-louis-shooting-has-history-of-lawsuits

The young man who is dead, whether or not he was the criminal some say he was, cannot speak for himself now.

And the grief of his family and the harm to POC for centuries of terrorism committed against them in the USA will play a factor.

EDIT for branford: I did NOT say the factor would be in play at the trial. The grief of his parents didn't do a thing for Trayvon Martin's trial (he was clearly on trial in the media, while Zimmermann was lionized) and it hasn't even effected an arrest in the Michael Brown case. But it is a matter in the court of public opinion, and ubiquitous. And the context of that statement is:

A social revolution at the ballot box is the only way to change this, but only after people first admit there is a systematic problem. This is not part of the 'post racial' society that some may want to view this event in.

EDIT for branford: coming in contact with an object with gunshot residue on it may very well mean his hands had GSR and he put them in his pants.

And anyone can be viewed with suspicion. No one gets a free pass in matters of life and death. EOM.

um.... **** it. I am gonna call this one blame it on the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

[Wineslob]

KingCharlemagne:

[DumbAss Tanker]

I'll go with 'Filthy racist JBT cops planted the evidence,' and no amount of forensic or physical evidence will convince them otherwise.  Even if there was video, they'd claim it was CGI'd.

I only hope these assholes would really run into the kind of cops that exist in their fevered imaginations every time they leave their hovels.

[Eupher]

You can lead a DUmmy to water, but you can't make him drink.

Kool-Aid, on the other hand, comes in many DUmmy-approved flavors.

[RobJohnson]

I'll go with 'Filthy racist JBT cops planted the evidence,' and no amount of forensic or physical evidence will convince them otherwise.  Even if there was video, they'd claim it was CGI'd.

I only hope these assholes would really run into the kind of cops that exist in their fevered imaginations every time they leave their hovels.

 

[GOBUCKS]

How do they know the dead obamaite wasn't an avid skeet shooter?

Everyone knows skeet's a big sport in the hood.

Not sure how much powder residue leaks from a Perazzi, though.

[thundley4]

You can lead a DUmmy to water, but you can't make him drink.

Kool-Aid, on the other hand, comes in many DUmmy-approved flavors.

You can give a DUmmie the facts, but you can't make him accept reality.

[DLR Pyro]

They found the gun. The matched the bullets to the gun. The power residue is on the perp's hands and clothes...
 
 

Did they ever find the sammich his family said he was carrying?

[landofconfusion80]

Did they ever find the sammich his family said he was carrying?

the timeline was wrong...he had just finished dropping it off at the food bank on his way back from choir practice or something....yea... that's the ticket...

[Big Dog]

Did they ever find the sammich his family said he was carrying?

A police dog ate the sammich.

A white police dog.

[Happy Fun Ball]

A police dog ate the sammich.

A white police dog.

That jumped from the bushes.

And threw a brick at him.

Covered in chicken wire.

And chemtrails.

JOOOS!

[Delmar]

Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #43)Wed Oct 15, 2014, 01:16 AM
Kalidurga (5,489 posts)
49. Yes I realize that

I am going to avoid a knee jerk reaction to every shooting that occurs. I think at least half the time the situation could have been handled differently. I don't know if it could have been in this case. It's hinky, but I will wait and see what turns up.

Good luck with that, DUmmies are physically incapable of suppressing the knee jerk reaction to every shooting that occurs.

[BattleHymn]

Spitfire of ATJ (18,057 posts)
12. I'd like to see who's prints (if any) are on the shells....It's too easy to make a dead hand plant prints on a throw down gun in the field.

If the prints do not fit, you must acquit! 

[Chris_]

Fingerprints from an expended cartridge?  Am I the only one that thinks this is the dumbest idea of the week?

[thundley4]

Fingerprints from an expended cartridge?  Am I the only one that thinks this is the dumbest idea of the week?

But, but they do it on TV all the time.

[Chris_]

But, but they do it on TV all the time.

Right.  Whatever.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

Fingerprints from an expended cartridge?  Am I the only one that thinks this is the dumbest idea of the week?

Prints from when he loaded the cartridges into the magazine are possibly retrievable, on both the fired and unfired brass (Also the magazine itself), with the ones on the fired brass being a lot less likely (They can still be tied to the piece by firing pin impressions, extractor/ejector marks, striation patterns on the case walls or rims, or slide face marks on the case head)...of course, he may have gotten the damn' thing from someone else already loaded, or some friend might have loaded the magazine for him.  There is not any absolute, insurmountable requirement that he handled the rounds individually before the incident, it is just the more likely case.

[GOBUCKS]

It doesn't sound that far-fetched.

I've read that techniques are available now to even extract DNA from fingerprints.

Identifying prints on a piece of brass sounds simple compared to that.

[obumazombie]

That jumped from the bushes.

And threw a brick at him.

Covered in chicken wire.

And chemtrails.

JOOOS!

I voted for JOOOOOS too!

The sandwich in question was misidentified as a knuckle sandwich, then properly identified as...




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[thundley4]

It doesn't sound that far-fetched.

I've read that techniques are available now to even extract DNA from fingerprints.

Identifying prints on a piece of brass sounds simple compared to that.

The recent CSI involved catching the killer by matching the microscopic germs on his skin to germs left at the scene.  That episode also involve a hemorrhagic disease.   

[obumazombie]

Oh, and another thing...this is a right and proper poll !