DUmpmonkie Candlestick votes 'present'.
candelista (702 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014916657
Islamic State seeks to justify enslaving Yazidi women and girls in Iraq
FYI. Not an endorsement of US airstrikes.
This could be a great DU internal fight between anti-Americans, the HATE BOOOOOSH! crowd, the Feminazi Brigades, and the rest of the loons.
TwilightGardener (43,498 posts)
1. These subhumans need killing.
Out of the gate the first shot is fired! I await the cries of RACIST!!!!
Kelvin Mace (12,325 posts)
28. These "subhumans" are human, and if they did what is claimed need educating, not killing.
Yeah... they are just confused.
Kelvin Mace (12,325 posts)
30. Right, and who gets to decide who is, and isn't subhuman? If I round up a group of people, call them "subhuman" are you willing to "exterminate" them yourself? Interesting choice of words.
Kelvin Mace (12,325 posts)
59. Again, my question is is the poster SERIOUSLY advocating "extermination" as a solution?
If you refuse to admit that there is evil in the world and do nothing to stand against it then evil will win.
DetlefK (3,234 posts)
136. Look at it this way:
What are the odds that somebody who kills and enslaves and justifies killing and enslaving with a religious belief, even though the vast majority that holds that belief claims that he's a heretic, would be willing to stop killing and enslaving?
What are the odds that the ISIS-fighters will stop killing and enslaving anybody they don't like?
If a person is dangerous, and if there is no chance that that person will decide on his own to stop harming people, then what's the point of NOT executing him?
What's the point of a limited punishment when that limited punishment won't have an effect?
There are situations where killing somebody is morally justified.
Never use common sense at DU.
Kelvin Mace (12,325 posts)
47. Again, these people have serious problems that need to be addressed your solution is "extermination". Are you willing to do the killing personally, or simply advocate that it should be done by someone else on your behalf? "Extermination" of "subhumans" has certainly been advocated in the past, are you comfortable with the storied company you would keep by joining that advocacy?
Maybe we can try mid-night basketball?
TwilightGardener (43,498 posts)
79. LOL--they're not a race, nationality, a tribe, a religion. They're a self-selected group of sadists and psychopaths. Atrocities are pretty much all they do--that, and organized crime. They need to be wiped out.
Kelvin Mace (12,325 posts)
139. Ummm, no
Words mean things. ISIS and its ilk meet the criteria as a "political, national or cultural" group under the Oxford and Merriam-Webster dictionary definitions of "genocide". They meet the legal definition as a "religious" group under the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide, of which the U.S. is a signatory.
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
the deliberate killing of people who belong to a particular racial, political, or cultural group.
Article 2
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/genocide
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide
http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html
Your solution to monsters is for us to become monsters.
Personally? I am good with that.
PatSeg (16,188 posts)
18. I think you're right. This is more about power, sex, and violence than religion. Many fighters had to be instructed in the Muslim faith when they joined. They can justify uncivilized behavior with a religion and for many, any religion probably would do.
And they still make excuses for Islam.
ChairmanAgnostic (25,024 posts)
4. why do they keep reminding me of our most conservative christian types?
What are you? Stoned?
ChairmanAgnostic (25,024 posts)
24. I wish
No, I think it is the hypocrisy, the closed minded, irrational approach based on some fairy tale characters who they base their entire existence upon, strengthened by the fear that their beliefs might be all wet and we may take notice of that fact.
Anyone who prays for certain events to occur, then claim it was god's will when it never happens, is by definition irrational. In that respect, there is no difference between our christians and ISIS.
Psephos (7,612 posts)
25. Who cares what they pray? Conflating holy rollers and evangelicals with head choppers and child slavery practitioners is itself an irrational and destructive act. You sound xenophobic. I have no truck with fundies. But in the name of tolerance, I'm content to let them believe what they want, while I do the same. Call me when the baptists start capturing women as spoils of war, and burying their enemies alive.
TomCADem (7,021 posts)
7. Capturing school girls in Nigeria, gang rapes in India......ISIS is hardly alone in male dominated groups adhering to an ideology that justifies the subjugation of women. Of course, in the U.S., you have Republican candidates blaming a wide variety of societal on single women, single moms and working women, so we are not exactly beyond reproach.
cosmicone (6,043 posts)
13. Is anyone surprised?
This is what Muslim invaders like Babur, Humayoon, Malik Kafoor, Ahmadshah Abdali, Nadir Shah, Mahmood Gaznavi, Mohammad Ghauri and others did in India in the 11th through 16th centuries. If one were to research the above names one would find ISIS like slaughters, ethnic cleansing, rapes, slavery and forced marriages practiced back then. According to KS Lal, (from his book), between 1000 ACE and 1525 ACE, 80-100 million Hindus were killed or forcibly converted.
More recently (in 1970s), when Bangladesh was seeking independence from Pakistan, Pakistani military did the same thing against Bangladeshis. Some 400,000 rapes were reported but actual number may be higher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War
http://www.forbes.com/sites/worldviews/2012/05/21/1971-rapes-bangladesh-cannot-hide-history/
Iraq's Yazidis are actually lost Hindus from that era. They have a snake symbol in the entrance to their temple, a sun symbol on their doors and a peacock, vestiges of the worship of Kartikeya (Murugan.)
It is vile and their justification for being according to Shariah is not erroneous.
I wonder, if ISIS is so un-Islamic and maligning the name of Islam, how come there is no fatwa against ISIS and no one has proclaimed jihad against ISIS?
Not that anyone on DU will listen to you, but...
