primitives get technical about firearms

[franksolich]

http://election.democraticunderground.com/1214850

Oh my.

Jgarrick (521 posts)    Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:14 PM

Question of the Day: What Are the 10 Guns Everyone Should Shoot Before They Die?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/robert-farago/question-of-the-day-what-are-the-10-guns-everyone-should-shoot-before-they-die/
 
GLOCK fanboys can slag off John Moses Browning’s gift to the world ’til the cows come home, but anyone who hasn’t punched a single ragged hole in a target at 15 yards (or more) with a properly tuned 1911 has missed out on one of the best ballistic experiences available on planet earth. By the same token, anyone who hasn’t run a GLOCK like they’re in the middle of a zombie apocalypse is gun-experience deficient. What are your ten guns you (and other gunnies) should shoot before shuffling off this mortal coil?
 
1. Colt 1911A1
2. S&W Model 29 .44 magnum
3. Colt SAA
4. Thompson SMG
5. M1 Garand
6. AK-47 (or variant)
7. AR-15
8. Barrett M82 .50
9. Glock
10. Browning Hi-Power

After which the anti-gun nut Hoyt tries a funny, and gets chased away.

gejohnston (15,324 posts)    Mon Apr 7, 2014, 01:42 PM

3. my list

any Nitro Express
Walther PPK
.50 Hawkin
Kentucky long rifle
M-1 Carbine
any Lugar
Thompson SMG
any percussion revolver
any .30-30 lever action
any single action revolver in .45 or .357.

Paladin (11,606 posts)    Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:23 PM

4. .375 H&H, any make.

Try a big-ass caliber that's not directly tied to the military or law enforcement---the change will do you good.......

Jgarrick (521 posts)    Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:52 PM

6. So shooting a bolt-action chambered for .375 H&H would do me good, but shooting a

bolt action chambered for .338 Lapua wouldn't?

Please elaborate.

Paladin (11,606 posts)    Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:00 PM

7. Just trying to broaden your horizons a little.

If you're more comfortable with a military sniper caliber, suit yourself. It's called the Outdoor Life group for a reason.

sir pball (2,017 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:46 AM

16. I'm most comfortable with one of the most popular sporting calibers in the world.

The fact that it originated as a military cartridge, and is indeed still the preeminent "sniper" round in the world, is utterly, absolutely irrelevant to me.
 
It's simply as close to the perfect "all round" North American sporting round as there is. Come on, do you really believe EVERYBODY who owns an M70 or 700 .308 secretly harbors breathless fantasies of 800-yard headshots or something?

ManiacJoe (7,178 posts)    Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:41 PM

8. How does the .375 HH compare to the .45-70 stuff?

Jgarrick (521 posts)    Mon Apr 7, 2014, 05:03 PM

11. Considerably more powerful; the .375 H&H has 4,500 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle.

The 45-70 (in its original loading) has 1,700, although in a modern rifle it can be handloaded hotter.

sir pball (2,017 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:03 PM

21. "Hotter" is an understatement

In my 1895 I can push it to about 3,500 ft-lbs. Not quite .375 territory, but it's a seven-pound lever action - it hits quite a bit harder on the other end than my dad's CZ550 in .375. If it weren't so much darn fun to blow up gallons of water with, it would almost be unpleasant.

sir pball (2,017 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:41 AM

15. 375, how adorable.

I like the .416 Rigby myself. Just as classic, but much...spicier. Specially with "modern" loads.

Paladin (11,606 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:47 AM

17. I once had the chance to fire a .458 and didn't do it.

I certainly don't lose any sleep over it, but I kind of wish I'd taken advantage of the opportunity. I hunted several times with a friend's .375 (English custom made, commercial Mauser action, hand-carved walnut stock, octagonal barrel, German optics) and enjoyed the hell out of it.

sir pball (2,017 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:58 AM

19. .458 really shouldn't be much worse than a .375

The .458 (Winchester, at least) has a mystique about it, but it's really a pretty anemic round, hence the rise of the Lott. Should realistically feel the same as a .375, all things being equal. The .416 on the other hand is...peppy to say the least, even in my dad's twelve-pound CZ550. Got a good ding from the scope bell the first time I touched one off. Fun though!

Paladin (11,606 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:06 PM

22. I was sighting in that .375 at the range.

After I'd fired a couple of times, the guy at the adjoining bench looked over and asked "Just what the **** are you shooting, fella?" The muzzle blast from that old cannon got a lot of attention, that day. Lots of fun to shoot it; like your dad's gun, that rifle had enough weight to even out the recoil, some.

sir pball (2,017 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:10 PM

24. Our neighbor in Maine used to like to rip off his handgun real fast

He was almost a half-mile away so it was never annoying, but one day Pops grinned, got the Rigby from the safe, and went out for some "followup shot practice". That shut the other guy up right quick. Sounded like rolling thunder echoing off the hills

ManiacJoe (7,178 posts)    Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:56 PM

10. I seem to be doing OK with the lists from others!

So far I have shot:

Colt 1911A1 (or other manufacturer)
Thompson SMG
AK-47 (or variant)
AR-15
Glock

slingshot

Kentucky long rifle (or other black powder musket/rifle)
M-1 Carbine
any .30-30 lever action

Eleanors38 (9,809 posts)   Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:58 AM

13. Remington M-8 in .35...

The 100+ yr-old heavy-caliber semi-auto rifle, and IRC, the first practical one. It was one of the first rifles to undergo modification for LEO-use, with the permanent integral magazine replaced by -- you guessed it -- an extended, banana-shaped and removable magazine. It had reasonable accuracy and was most often seen in the deep woods South and East. The .35 Rem round is still extant, and is a great big-game round at medium range. The safety was ripped off by Gen. Kalashnikov.

sir pball (2,017 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:54 AM

18. Hmm.

Here's my input...I've actually done 10/10.

1911
Remington 700, .308
Contender w/10" 45-70 barrel
.416 Rigby
Colt Python
Winchester Model 12
Any AR-pattern
10/22
Savage 99, iron sights plz
Marlin 1895

Paladin (11,606 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:01 PM

20. Bonus points for including so many actual "Outdoor Life" firearms.

I took my first TX Hill Country deer with a Savage 99, .250-3000 caliber; it had the obligatory Weaver K4 optics---way back then, using a Lyman, Leupold or Redfield scope got you branded a communist in TX (exaggeration, but only a slight one).

sir pball (2,017 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:07 PM

23. I never actually hunted with the 99

Years ago, it was going for a song and I was able to sing the right tune - it's an "OG" .300 Savage, clearly VERY well-loved (who am I kidding, it's in terrible condition); it gave me a flash of a 1920s upstate farm boy casually taking it out at dawn to get dinner. Loads of fun to shoot but the sights are so out of whack I doubt I could hit a buck at 20 yards.

oneshooter (6,929 posts)    Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:15 PM

25. Well lets see here.

1. Colt 1911A1-Done
2. S&W Model 29 .44 magnum-done
3. Colt SAA-don and don again
4. Thompson SMG Not yet, does a Browning BAR count?
5. M1 Garand-Done and redone a lot
6. AK-47 (or variant)-done
7. AR-15- done, and M16
8. Barrett M82 .50-Done
9. Glock-Done, don't care for them
10. Browning Hi-Power-Done

Fn-FAL-Done
Sharps rifle-Done
Heavy bore double rifle- Done In my safe is the Westley Richards "shop grade" double in 470 NE, picked it up in Kenya from a retired PH and used it for Elephant culls as a Ranger in Kenya. Ammo is NOT cheap.

mog75 (41 posts)    Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:40 PM

32. savage 99

I bought a 99 in the early 90's, mine is a 250-3000 made in 1951. I have taken 3 deer with it, and when my little sister got old enough to deer hunt she used it to take her first deer. It is extremely effective with the Barnes x bullet, and I hope my boys will use it when they get old enough. Until then it stays in the safe, as it is in extremely good condition and has nearly tripled in value since I bought it.

NightWatcher (25,422 posts)    Sun Sep 28, 2014, 08:54 PM

37. Good lists. Here are the one's I've shot/qualified on (bucket list completed)

1. a M1911
2. a .44 mag revolver
3. a 12 gauge pump shotgun (Mossberg 500 tactical)
4. a Walther PPK/s for the 'sexy' James Bond factor
5. a handgun with a suppressor (Sig P229)
6. an AR15
7. an AK that is full of dirt and muck (then you'll see why it's so popular)
8. a HK MP5 (or MP5K)
9. an Uzi 9mm smg
10. a Rem 700 (with a properly trained sniper as your spotter/trainer)

You get bonus points for simunitions training and live fire exercises.

Have I mentioned how much retirement sucks lately? Who wants to get into a car chase with me?

[DumbAss Tanker]

Looks like the OP, oneshooter, and maybe one or two other posters in that thread are pretty sound, and most of the others are a bunch of one-upping snotboxes.  I don't know about .338 Lapua being 'One of the most popular sporting calibers in the world,' at least in North America it's more like 'Occasionally encountered,' and outside North America 'Sporting' calibers are not really the same thing since in the rest of the world only a small slice of quite well-to-do and connected people can indulge in hunting with large-caliber rifles.

[Big Dog]

Looks like the OP, oneshooter, and maybe one or two other posters in that thread are pretty sound, and most of the others are a bunch of one-upping snotboxes.  I don't know about .338 Lapua being 'One of the most popular sporting calibers in the world,' at least in North America it's more like 'Occasionally encountered,' and outside North America 'Sporting' calibers are not really the same thing since in the rest of the world only a small slice of quite well-to-do and connected people can indulge in hunting with large-caliber rifles.

It was good for a laugh to see the hyenas turn on each other mid-thread.

They can't help themselves.

[JohnnyReb]

As the most highly decorated enlisted man ever in the Marine Corps RECON Green Beret branch of the Navy Seals, I had to learn to fire and qualify on every hand held weapon known to man since the beginning of armed conflicts........how's that for going TiT mode on the snobbish DUmmies?

[franksolich]

It was good for a laugh to see the hyenas turn on each other mid-thread.

They can't help themselves.

You know, even though I brought this over, I have no idea if the primitive suggestions are good or not, but figured everyone here would.

It's Sunday; in case no one's ever noticed, on Sundays, I bring over the technical subjects for the men, and the cooking threads for the women, rather than any political stuff.

<<<been doing that for years, but suspects nobody's ever noticed the pattern.

[Big Dog]

As the most highly decorated enlisted man ever in the Marine Corps RECON Green Beret branch of the Navy Seals, I had to learn to fire and qualify on every hand held weapon known to man since the beginning of armed conflicts........how's that for going TiT mode on the snobbish DUmmies?

 

[JohnnyReb]

You know, even though I brought this over, I have no idea if the primitive suggestions are good or not, but figured everyone here would.

It's Sunday; in case no one's ever noticed, on Sundays, I bring over the technical subjects for the men, and the cooking threads for the women, rather than any political stuff.

<<<been doing that for years, but suspects nobody's ever noticed the pattern.

Oh, sort of chicken salad sandwiches sprinkled with gun powder.....sounds good to me.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Well, Frank, the OP and some of the others definitely know what they're talking about, though I can't say on the Thompson myself...my sub-gun experience is limited to STENs and M3A1 greasers (The latter being a grossly-underappreciated weapon).  Big Dog nailed it when he said it quickly degenerated into a hyena squabble, or in more elaborate words they each started trying to show how big their internet penises were and how small the internet penises of all the other posters were.

[Skul]

Shot almost everything they mentioned except for the 50barret.
Fired some real odd ball stuff too.
Got the chance because we often would transport captured weapons.

They sure we're comparing belt buckles.😄

[Big Dog]

They sure we're comparing belt buckles.😄

The winner was the DUmmy who shot elephants in Kenya.

That was your mole, wasn't it?

 

[Skul]

The winner was the DUmmy who shot elephants in Kenya.

That was your mole, wasn't it?

 

Nah....he has a bigger buckle than I....😳

[DumbAss Tanker]

The winner was the DUmmy who shot elephants in Kenya.

That was your mole, wasn't it?

 

I could well be wrong, but I thought that particular Hap Shawnessy/Commander McBragg wannabe was saying he got the rifle from an old guy who did that with it.

[Big Dog]

I could well be wrong, but I thought that particular Hap Shawnessy/Commander McBragg wannabe was saying he got the rifle from an old guy who did that with it.

It looked to me like the primitive said he got it from a professional hunter, and used it to cull elephants while the primitive was a ranger in Kenya.


The DUmmy probably fought with Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner during the Congo War, too.

Either way, DUmmies lie, all the time.

[DumbAss Tanker]

The DUmmy probably fought with Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner during the Congo War, too.

Well, of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best.

 

Love that song, too bad no station will play it or any other of Warren Zevon's edgier pieces.

[Crazy Horse]

Looks like the OP, oneshooter, and maybe one or two other posters in that thread are pretty sound, and most of the others are a bunch of one-upping snotboxes. I don't know about .338 Lapua being 'One of the most popular sporting calibers in the world,' at least in North America it's more like 'Occasionally encountered,' and outside North America 'Sporting' calibers are not really the same thing since in the rest of the world only a small slice of quite well-to-do and connected people can indulge in hunting with large-caliber rifles.

I hate to say it, but the DUmmy was actually talking about the .308 Win, not the .338 Lapua being one of the most popular sporting calibers.

[Big Dog]

Well, of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best.

 

Love that song, too bad no station will play it or any other of Warren Zevon's edgier pieces.

I found a 'best of' CD in the $1 bin at WalMart.

Treasure among the trash!

3-4 Zevon songs are on my MP3 player for ride music.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I hate to say it, but the DUmmy was actually talking about the .308 Win, not the .338 Lapua being one of the most popular sporting calibers.

Re-reading that post, I guess you're right...he does mention the .308 in the second paragraph following that 'Pre-eminent' remark.  I never thought of the .308 as the world's 'Pre-eminent' sniper round, it's just a great all-arounder and by far the most common (Outside Russian or former Soviet clients), with 800 meters considered to be about its useful limit in most conditions, and the Lapua round being the hot thing for longer-range sniper fire.  I guess to him 'Pre-eminent' meant most common, and to me it meant more like 'clearly superior.'

I don't own a .338 myself, .308s sure...there's just nothing anywhere around here a .308 won't kill easily, and it's close country where there are damned few occasions in a lifetime to take a shot over 200 meters except on a range.