From the halls of Derp University (DU) : Earthquakes linked to Fracking.

[miskie]

Even though they consider themselves the mostest smarterest people on the planet, the primitives have little understanding in the realm of science.   http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025551278

Scientists Find 'Direct Link' Between Earthquakes and Fracking

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/312-16/25918-scientists-find-direct-link-between-earthquakes-and-fracking

team of scientists with the U.S. Geological Survey have found evidence “directly linking” the uptick in Colorado and New Mexico earthquakes since 2001 to wastewater injection, a process widely used in the controversial technique of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, and conventional drilling.

In a study to be published in the Bulletin of the Seismological Society of America on Tuesday, the scientists presented “several lines of evidence suggest the earthquakes in the area are directly related to the disposal of wastewater” deep underground, according to a BSSA press release. Fracking and conventional natural gas companies routinely dispose of large amounts of wastewater underground after drilling. During fracking, the water is mixed with chemicals and sand, to “fracture” underground shale rock formations and make gas easier to extract.

The USGS research is just the latest in a string of studies that have suggested the disposed water is migrating along dormant fault lines, changing their state of stress, and causing them to fail.

For their research, the four California-based USGS scientists monitored the 2,200 square mile Raton Basin, which goes from southern Colorado into New Mexico. They pointed out that the Basin had been “seismically quiet” until 1999, when companies began “major fluid injection” deep into the ground. Earthquakes began in 2001 when Colorado wastewater injection rates were under 600,000 barrels per month, and and since then there have been 16 earthquakes that could be considered large (above a magnitude of 3.8, including two over a 5.0 magnitude), compared with only one — a 4.0 magnitude quake — in the 30 years prior.

Let's disregard that large earthquakes start far deeper than we are even capable of getting to via 'fracking' and assume that we can - there is still a fundamental problem with this notion that can be summed up in one picture;

The amount of pressure necessary to move tectonic plates with "wastewater" simply cannot be achieved. Also, The wastewater will take the path of least resistance once it is outside of the influence of the pump. Forcing itself between bedrock isn't that place.

[JohnnyReb]

Solution: Drill two holes, frack for oil or gas in one and pour concrete in the other to "pin" the plates together to prevent earth quakes.

Hey, the science is sound, settled and has consensus......me another idiot agree.

[obumazombie]

Monty Python solved this mystery decades ago.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

How'd they go from "direct link" to "several lines of evidence suggest" and expect to be taken seriously?

[SVPete]

How'd they go from "direct link" to "several lines of evidence suggest" and expect to be taken seriously?

When a CRISIS is to be averted, one cannot be hindered by the lack of such things as "direct ties" or unequivocal evidence!

[DumbAss Tanker]

The amount of pressure necessary to move tectonic plates with "wastewater" simply cannot be achieved. Also, The wastewater will take the path of least resistance once it is outside of the influence of the pump. Forcing itself between bedrock isn't that place.

Well, while that's true, it is possible for the water to act as a lubricant, or to facilitate slippage between strata by breaking up their physical interlocking.  However, the fact that the earthquakes originate at a far deeper level than the injection occurs would seem to me to rule that out, I wouldn't think the injected material could migrate miles downward into progressively higher pressure zones.

[JohnnyReb]

Even if fracking caused small quakes, wouldn't numerous small quakes be better than one huge one?

[Wineslob]

Never let an erroneous narrative go to waste.

[miskie]

Well, while that's true, it is possible for the water to act as a lubricant, or to facilitate slippage between strata by breaking up their physical interlocking. However, the fact that the earthquakes originate at a far deeper level than the injection occurs would seem to me to rule that out, I wouldn't think the injected material could migrate miles downward into progressively higher pressure zones.

Indeed - but not at the depth necessary. Water reaches its densest, least compressible state at about 4 degrees Celsius. The odds are the temperature & pressure combination at that depth will result in highly compressible steam.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Indeed - but not at the depth necessary. Water reaches its densest, least compressible state at about 4 degrees Celsius. The odds are the temperature & pressure combination at that depth will result in highly compressible steam.

Which would be contrary to the purpose of fracking.

At Halliburton we used water and a gel solution to carry a specifically engineered "sand" down hole. The sand is what did the work, creating a space between layers that permitted the product to come up-hole. The water and gel wasn't expected to stay down hole and the sand was to keep the formation stable and permeable.

[98ZJUSMC]

Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on Today at 06:44:54 AM
How'd they go from "direct link" to "several lines of evidence suggest" and expect to be taken seriously?

When a CRISIS is to be averted, one cannot be hindered by the lack of such things as "direct ties" or unequivocal evidence!

Yeah, and sCiEnCe!!!!! demands that they go to Wikipedia and repeatedly delete references to Neil Chocolate Einsteins' repeated misquoting and complete quote fabrication of Senators, ex-Presidents and the like, that has been going on for years.....

http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/18/why-is-wikipedia-deleting-all-references-to-neil-tysons-fabrication/

One of the comments at the referenced link at Federalist.


  

[miskie]

Yeah, and sCiEnCe!!!!! demands that they go to Wikipedia and repeatedly delete references to Neil Chocolate Einsteins' repeated misquoting and complete quote fabrication of Senators, ex-Presidents and the like, that has been going on for years.....

http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/18/why-is-wikipedia-deleting-all-references-to-neil-tysons-fabrication/

One of the comments at the referenced link at Federalist.


  

You need to remember, this is the team that invented the notion of 'Fake, but accurate'

[miskie]

Which would be contrary to the purpose of fracking.

At Halliburton we used water and a gel solution to carry a specifically engineered "sand" down hole. The sand is what did the work, creating a space between layers that permitted the product to come up-hole. The water and gel wasn't expected to stay down hole and the sand was to keep the formation stable and permeable.

Right - which goes back to the notion of wastewater being responsible for earthquakes, when the simple truth is the water will disperse on its own, affecting nothing.

The Talking Heads may have made reference to water flowing underground - but they never specified how deeply underground it flows.

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[JohnnyReb]

http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/18/why-is-wikipedia-deleting-all-references-to-neil-tysons-fabrication/

One of the comments at the referenced link at Federalist.


  

I read several of the imbedded links....dude seems to have it in for Mr. Tyson....which is fine with me. When you set out on the road to hold someone's feet to the fire you should expect the asphalt under your own feet to be hot in the bright light of truth.