primitives discuss locking people out of good jobs

[franksolich]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025508702

Oh my.

LuckyTheDog (6,350 posts)    Tue Sep 9, 2014, 10:47 AM

Report: ‘Credentials inflation’ locking people out of good jobs

It just keeps getting harder for Americans to get into the middle class and stay there. New research finds that a trend toward “credentials inflation” is keeping otherwise qualified people out of good jobs simply because the potential applicants do not have bachelor’s degrees.
 
According to the report, published Boston-based Burning Glass Technologies:

--Employers now require bachelor’s degrees for a wide range of jobs, but the shift has been dramatic for some of the occupations historically dominated by workers without a college degree. The credential gap can amount to 25 percentage points or more for middle skill jobs in some occupational families, like office and administrative and business and financial operations. For example, 65 percent of postings for Executive Secretaries and Executive Assistants now call for a bachelor’s degree. Only 19 percent of those currently employed in these roles have a B.A.
 
MORE HERE: http://wonkynewsnerd.com/report-credentials-inflation-locks-people-good-jobs/

lumberjack_jeff (28,632 posts)   Tue Sep 9, 2014, 10:51 AM

2. A college degree is the price you pay for a job out of the rain.

employers demand huge amounts of arbitrary education for executive assistants because they can; it's a simple way to weed out applicants.
 
If you want a middle class life without the college debt, constrain your job search to small companies in your hometown, jobs in which a personal relationship with the decisionmaker gets you in the door.

NYC_SKP (61,043 posts)    Tue Sep 9, 2014, 10:58 AM

3. It's a filter, IMO. A degree today is the equivalent to a high school diploma in the 1960s.

Businesses need people who can read and write, and many high school grads simply can't do these things at the required level of skill.
 
Further, having completed something like a degree program indicates perseverance and some other desirable qualities.
 
I'm not saying this is fair, I'm just calling it like I see it having talked to folks at many WIBs and EOCs, high schools and colleges.
 
Our entry level workforce is poorly trained and inexperienced.

^^^Skippy. 

TexasMommaWithAHat (22 posts)    Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:11 AM

4. But it's ridiculous to load up on debt for these jobs

We need more affordable community colleges and state trade and technical schools, and they should be free at the point of delivery. If we had more affordable post high school education, everyone would benefit.
 
As an aside, my husband and I are in a position that we pay for our kids to attend the local community college while they work and save for their transfer to a state university (where they continue to work). At that point, we help minimally with living expenses, but they take out the loans. I wish all students could graduate with less debt like they have.

NYC_SKP (61,043 posts)    Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:17 AM

5. I fully agree. We should have, really, free education through college.

I completed high school and then mixed junior college classes with work until I knew what I wanted to study.
 
I was lucky enough to learn of a school with an endowment and completed a five year program under full scholarship, but still had to work to pay NYC rent (very cheap apartment).
 
Shame that the founder of that school doesn't have equivalents among the rich today.
 
The Kochs and Gates, et al., could fund quite a number of free schools but they don't think the way that philanthropists like Carnegie did back then.

[JohnnyReb]

Only DUmmies need a B.A. to get a job flipping burgers.

[Chris_]

NYC_SKP (61,043 posts)    Tue Sep 9, 2014, 10:58 AM

3. It's a filter, IMO. A degree today is the equivalent to a high school diploma in the 1960s.

Businesses need people who can read and write, and many high school grads simply can't do these things at the required level of skill.
 
Our entry level workforce is poorly trained and inexperienced.

Common Core should fix all that, right?

[DumbAss Tanker]

TexasMommaWithAHat (22 posts)    Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:11 AM

4. But it's ridiculous to load up on debt for these jobs

We need more affordable community colleges and state trade and technical schools, and they should be free at the point of delivery. If we had more affordable post high school education, everyone would benefit.

I doubt it, the likely outcome would be that the BAs and AAs delivered by that system would be about as worthless an indicator of skills as today's high school diplomas are.

[Big Dog]

TexasMommaWithAHat (22 posts)    Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:11 AM

4. But it's ridiculous to load up on debt for these jobs

We need more affordable community colleges and state trade and technical schools, and they should be free at the point of delivery.

 

Ah, geez. Do I even need to say it?

[Carl]

I get so sick of reading them demand this or that for free.
Never fricken once do they suggest just what their payback is for it.

[miskie]

Oh please..

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The Kochs and Gates, et al., could fund quite a number of free schools but they don't think the way that philanthropists like Carnegie did back then.

If the Koch Bros. did that you and your kind would blast them anyway.  Certainly you remember David H. Koch giving $100 million to New York-Presbyterian Hospital, right ? And how did you loonies react ? You protested it. Maybe not you, personally - but your team did.

Of course you do..

[Dori]

Oh please..

If the Koch Bros. did that you and your kind would blast them anyway.  Certainly you remember David H. Koch giving $100 million to New York-Presbyterian Hospital, right ? And how did you loonies react ? You protested it. Maybe not you, personally - but your team did.

Of course you do..

They donated $25 million to the United Negro Fund which is used for education and they give out all kinds of scholarships, training seminars and internships.

[thundley4]

NYC_SKP (61,043 posts)    Tue Sep 9, 2014, 10:58 AM

3. It's a filter, IMO. A degree today is the equivalent to a high school diploma in the 1960s.

Businesses need people who can read and write, and many high school grads simply can't do these things at the required level of skill.
 
Our entry level workforce is poorly trained and inexperienced.

Common Core should fix all that, right?

Common Core is only going to exacerbate a problem caused by decades of the unions and Democrats controlling the education system.

[Chris_]

Common Core is only going to exacerbate a problem caused by decades of the unions and Democrats controlling the education system.

Blasphemy.  Barack Obama is God and Arnie Duncan is his prophet. 

[lastparker]

Good God - the government has been doing this for YEARS, as anyone who has looked for a job in the last 5 years knows. I was shocked at how many low-tier admin positions required a MASTERS degree. Then I realized that the vast majority of people applying for those positions probably warrant it - they need a masters requirement  just to make sure the applicant can actually read and write.

[Dori]

they need a masters requirement  just to make sure the applicant can actually read and write.

I can't get my head around that.  Why are these kids even getting out of primary school without being able to read and write?  This is a national disaster.

[BlueStateSaint]

I can't get my head around that.  Why are these kids even getting out of primary school without being able to read and write?  This is a national disaster.

It's also the responsibility of the parents.  We're making very sure that The Heiress can read and write.  I told my wife that when she picks up Ellen from her Catholic school, when they get home, she makes very sure that Ellen's homework is done--properly.  Then, and only then, can she go play with the neighbor kids.

[Carl]

    NYC_SKP (61,043 posts)    Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:17 AM

    5. I fully agree. We should have, really, free education through college.

    I completed high school and then mixed junior college classes with work until I knew what I wanted to study.
     
    I was lucky enough to learn of a school with an endowment and completed a five year program under full scholarship, but still had to work to pay NYC rent (very cheap apartment).
     
    Shame that the founder of that school doesn't have equivalents among the rich today.
     
    The Kochs and Gates, et al., could fund quite a number of free schools but they don't think the way that philanthropists like Carnegie did back then.

You ignorant jackass,we have "free" education through high school and you just admitted that too many can`t read and write at an employable level so what would change with government paid for college?
It would be the same result,no competition based on performance outcomes and a job mill for bureaucrats.

[VelvetElvis]

    Shame that the founder of that school doesn't have equivalents among the rich today.
     
    The Kochs and Gates, et al., could fund quite a number of free schools but they don't think the way that philanthropists like Carnegie did back then.

If the DUmmies had lived back then, they'd be demonizing Carnegie just as surely as they demonize the Kochs now, and for the same reason.
 
Carengie has committed the same sin as the Kochs, that is, the mortal sin of having money and not lavishing every cent of it on the contemporary equivalent of the seething brood of parasites that is "Democratic Underground"

[Dori]

It's also the responsibility of the parents.  We're making very sure that The Heiress can read and write.

I understand some kids have difficulty reading.  Not all kids process information the same or at the same rate, but my experiences with kids is that by third/fourth grade they have mastered reading. 

My kids didn't get anything exceptional during that age group, other than the basic language arts taught in the classroom, and some free reading at home. But, they all managed to learn it without any difficulty.

I have to give most of the credit to their school program and their teachers. 

[hillneck]

They donated $25 million to the United Negro Fund which is used for education and they give out all kinds of scholarships, training seminars and internships.

And they caught all kinds of grief over that.

[Aristotelian]

It's also the responsibility of the parents.

How dare you suggest that parents have responsibilities - that's racist, or sexist, or both. It's up to the almighty government...but of course when they reach 18 and are still not literate, that's not the government's fault and the answer is yet more of the same.