cali jumps on the women's-libber bandwagon

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025017709

Oh my.

cali (92,979 posts)    Thu May 29, 2014, 09:00 AM

The Toxic Appeal of the Men’s Rights Movement

A growing movement driven by misogyny and resentment is pulling in frustrated men struggling with changing definitions of masculinity. A men's fitness columnist on why they should walk away.
 
Imagine a kid who got a cone with three scoops of ice cream in it. Good flavors, too. Like peanut-butter chocolate, plus a scoop of cookie dough. In a waffle cone. And then this child whines about the lack of chocolate sprinkles on top.*
 
Wait, what? Men’s rights? That’s a thing? Yes, it’s a thing, and while there are certain legitimate aspects to men’s rights activism, or MRA, it’s overwhelmingly a toxic slew of misogyny. This world of resentment and hate speech has been brought to light in recent days as we learned about the vitriolic forum posts and videos left behind by Elliot Rodger, the 22 year-old accused of killing six people in Santa Barbara last week. But it’s hard to comprehend from Roger’s delusional rants how potent the movement’s message can be for ordinary men.
 
MRAs believe the traditionally oppressed groups have somehow seized control and taken away their white male privilege. They tap into fear and insecurity and turn it into blame and rage. Often the leaders of these groups are men who feel as though they got screwed in a divorce. They quote all sorts of statistics about child custody and unfair alimony payments, because in their minds, the single mother who has to choose between feeding the kids or paying the rent is a myth. They believe passionately in their own victimhood and their creed goes something like this: Women are trying to keep us down, usurp all our power, taking away what it means to be a man.
 
One popular MRA site is AVoiceForMen.com, with a mission to “expose misandry on all levels in our culture” and “denounce the institution of marriage as unsafe and unsuitable for modern men” as well as “promote an end to chivalry in any form or fashion” and “educate men and boys about the threats they face in feminist governance.” They also want an “end to rape hysteria” and promote “civil disobedience.” In their defense, AVFM does support nonviolence, but with all the inflammatory rhetoric, do readers always take heed?
 
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http://time.com/134152/the-toxic-appeal-of-the-mens-rights-movement/

*sounds like the primitives.

Puzzledtraveller (4,260 posts)    Thu May 29, 2014, 09:03 AM

1. TBH, I never had heard of it until now.

Katashi_itto (4,721 posts)   Thu May 29, 2014, 09:06 AM

2. The only place I ever hear of MRAs with any regularity are on DU

cali (92,979 posts)    Thu May 29, 2014, 09:09 AM

3. It's certainly not the only place I've heard/read about it

Katashi_itto (4,721 posts)   Thu May 29, 2014, 09:13 AM

6. Well after that lunatic killing people, its gotten more play. I will grant you that.

But before? I hadn't seen but a ripple. Course I will say I prefer reading philosophy, science and Kendo.

cali (92,979 posts)    Thu May 29, 2014, 09:17 AM

10. I read history, historiography, philosophy, poetry, on the arts, fiction

and more. I write on all of the above (see my essay on the anniversary of the historian Marc Bloch's execution), so if you're implying that one would have to seek out the information on MRAs and pay attention to little else than DU, you are wrong.
 
Just because one hasn't heard of something, doesn't mean it isn't broadly discussed.

redqueen (106,874 posts)    Thu May 29, 2014, 09:33 AM

23. The movement has been written about extensively online. Especially by feminist organizations.

It is rather hard to believe that any politically aware person could somehow have missed all of it.
 
If someone claims to care about feminism and also claims not to have heard of MRAs, then one of those claims is a bit suspect.

Sheldon Cooper (2,768 posts)    Thu May 29, 2014, 09:13 AM

4. Delusional and pathetic little boys.

Until they start killing people, of course. And then they're delusional and pathetic murderers.

MineralMan (64,028 posts)    Thu May 29, 2014, 09:17 AM

11. The MRA movement is, indeed, toxic.

It's an attempt to justify misogyny, just as the White Power movement is an attempt to justify racism. People who are victims of nothing trying to make themselves into victims, while they victimize others.
 
MRA is disgusting. It is patriarchy taken to the extreme.

<<<wonders why the BainsBane primitive and the seabeyond bitch haven't chimed in yet.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Gender Wars: best moling disruption campaign ever

[Gina]

I'm so glad we have real men here.  They are just pathetic. 

Now someone make me a damn sammich! 

[Carl]

cali (92,979 posts)    Thu May 29, 2014, 09:17 AM

10. I read history, historiography, philosophy, poetry, on the arts, fiction

and more. I write on all of the above (see my essay on the anniversary of the historian Marc Bloch's execution), so if you're implying that one would have to seek out the information on MRAs and pay attention to little else than DU, you are wrong.
 
Just because one hasn't heard of something, doesn't mean it isn't broadly discussed.

Miserable bitch.

[Mike220]

Nice try fella, but even if you stand up for feminazis, no DUmmy womyn is going to let you in her pants.

[USA4ME]

redqueen

23. The movement has been written about extensively online. Especially by feminist organizations.

It is rather hard to believe that any politically aware person could somehow have missed all of it.
 
If someone claims to care about feminism and also claims not to have heard of MRAs, then one of those claims is a bit suspect.

That must be the reason I've never heard of it. I don't read feminist harpies yapping on their irrelevant websites, don't care to be politically aware of what feminist harpies have to say, and don't care about feminist harpies.

If I have any questions specifically about what a women's POV is on an issue, and I do from time to time, I'll ask my wife. She's smarter, stronger minded, more loving, and more beautiful than any of you LW skanks could ever hope to be. Typically though, when reading opinions (like at this site), I don't care what the gender is of the person I'm reading but rather what they're saying.

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[thundley4]

If the Feminazi movement was really about empowering women, would they be asking the the white male patriarchal government to give them free stuff?

[Wineslob]

If the Feminazi movement was really about empowering women, would they be asking the the white male patriarchal government to give them free stuff?

They never shut up?

[JohnnyReb]

I'm so glad we have real men here.  They are just pathetic. 

Now someone make me a damn sammich! 

  Got you covered there hon...got everything needed....ham and cheese on white bread coming up.....there's a pig in the pen, cow in the barn, wheat seed in the sack and 100 acres out back. While you're at, make sure there's enough for two.

[Dori]

The ku klux klams are my most despised group on DU.   

Their one and only goal seems to be in emasculating men.  I wonder how many of the bitches are married.  I feel sorry for their kids, if they even have any.

[delilahmused]

I will never understand their constant need to be a victim. Hell, the white men (and I use the term loosely) over there feel victimized for not having a good reason to be a victim.  There's no nobility in spending your life complaining about what's been done to you (real or imagined). The nobility is in the overcoming.

Cindie

[FlaGator]

Liberal feminist organizations are all technically hate groups based on the liberal definition of a hate group.

[njpines]

I'm so glad we have real men here.  They are just pathetic. 

Now someone make me a damn sammich! 

Me too -- and bring me a beer while you're at it! 

[Big Dog]

redqueen (106,874 posts)    Thu May 29, 2014, 09:33 AM

bitch and moan, bitch and moan

Special message for the menstrual maternal monarch:

If I wanted your opinion, I'd give it to you.