Manny Goldstein admits what we knew all along.

[thundley4]

MannyGoldstein (25,117 posts) Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:10 AM

Yay, ObamaRomneyCare! 23% rate increase!

What happens when you mix:

- laissez-fair health care financing, and
- a doctor's union that sets the cost of each procedure, the rules on which procedures must be used when (mostly based on profit, not evidence), and which sets strict limits on the number of doctors that may practice?
- a law forcing people to buy insurance?

You get huge rate increases in state with the already-most-expensive health care, in the country with the already-most-expensive health care. my friend's small Mass. company just got notice that their health insurance (BCBS) is going up 23% for the same coverage. And we've had RomenyCare for a number of years already.

23%!

Yay, team!

Oh, when Obama fought mightily for the public option RomeyHeritageCare, did anyone mention that the land of Romneycare has the most expensive health insurance in the US? And that it was about to leap even more in cost?

This. Is. Bullshit.

We. Are. Stupid.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024479945

Notice how he tries to shift the blame from Obama, though.

Fumesucker (35,841 posts)
1. You might as well try to stop an erupting volcano with your bare hands

The 99% are nothing but a resource to be extracted and processed for maximum profit.

Star Member sabrina 1 (41,535 posts)
78. Did you think that once this Health Insurance Bill went into effect people would forget their

opposition to all that was wrong about it? Mandated Ins. I sure wish I could get Congress to force the public to buy my product. No PO. And in the end all the excuses 'we need Republicans to be on board so we can't have a PO, they will never vote for it' were just that, excuses. Because no matter how far backwards Dems bent themselves to try to please Republicans, in the end Dems had to pass that bill all by themselves. Which means, they COULD have included a PO. Well, they could if they were not trying to please and to SAVE the Private Insurance Corps, who got a windfall from this bill.

But it's a done deal so we'll have to wait a while until we get a Progressive Congress and WH, unfunded by Big Corporations, before this all can be fixed. THAT has to be the goal now. We learned what it means to have the Third Way running things in this party and that is what has to change.

But whatever made you think that people who opposed mandated insurance ever since Republicans came up with the idea were going to suddenly support it just because of the letter 'D'?

I oppose mandated insurance, always did and always will. There is something obscene about people having to 'shop at a marketplace' for their very lives.

Yet every one of you DUmmies voted for Obama's reelection. Too stupid to live, you are.

sabrina 1 (41,535 posts)
205. I will never forget it. The excuse fall apart when not one Republican voted for the bill. All I

could think of was 'they lied to us', OUR party. They had enough votes to pass a bill with the PO and to STICK IT to the Republicans. Then we had to try to process that, WHY didn't they do it? The last few years have been one hell of an education.

MannyGoldstein (25,117 posts)
15. And what makes them cheaper? Subsidies:

From your cited article:

"The main reason that Obamacare plans are more affordable on a month-to-month basis is that the health law extends tax credits to Americans who have incomes between the poverty level and four times the poverty level. Early numbers indicate that over 80 percent of Americans buying plans qualify for some sort of subsidy, with the poorest Americans paying less than $100 per month in premiums."

And who pays those subsidies... I think we both know.

Alternate thread title: anny gets a clue.

[franksolich]

Autumn (14,539 posts) Tue Feb 11, 2014, 07:31 PM   

199. Like I said, I ask a question I ask it to the post where it's mentioned.

I imagine if Manny wanted to post it he would have posted it or maybe he just recounted information a friend sent him and doesn't feel like he needs to satisfy your demand for proof. As for myself I would never post anything that someone could use to get information. There are sites that troll DU and have gotten information on several DUers from some innocent [sic!] little [sic!] comment and hunted them down and found out names, places of employment and damaged [sic!] those DUers. Only a fool would post a letter here.
 
Personally I don't give a shit if someone or does or doesn't post magical poof of their experiences with the ACA. There are plenty of stories both good and bad about it. Different people will experience different things. As for you, an anonymous person on the internet needing to be being proved right or wrong you could be right you could be wrong it don't mean shit to me.

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[Dori]

Wow....they sure have to go through some mental contortions to twist this disaster around to blaming Republicans for it.
 

[Gina]

It must be infuriating to have obsessed over obsma as a god then to know what he has lied about and screwed up.

[CollectivismMustDie]

Hey Manny:


 


CMD

[Carl]

- a doctor's union that sets the cost of each procedure, the rules on which procedures must be used when (mostly based on profit, not evidence),

Which shows right there that you are a typical leftist liar.
A new word for you cretin...LIABILITY.

The rest is BS nonsense,any kind of public option was dead on arrival because democrats outside of leftist cesspools knew their constituents would throw them out for voting for such.
Here is a clue DUmbasses...in any poll taken Santa is extremely popular,the credit card bill in January not so much.
The low to no information voter,when asked about freeeeeeeeeeeee health care,will almost always like the idea.
When they find out how much it really costs and how little they actually get or what they have to give up then it sinks like a rock.

You idiotic mooks that bay like rabid dogs at each other and think all the world considers you enlightened would do well to step outside the kennel once in a while.

[USA4ME]

Notice what happens under the type of healthcare system Manny (and for that matter, his arch-nemesis the BOGers) would prefer.

"Little girl denied surgery to help her walk due to 'budget cuts'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2556913/Little-girl-denied-surgery-help-walk-budget-cuts-Shannon-6-cerebral-palsy-shuffle-frame.html

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[SarasotaRepub]

oBAMA good, everything else BAD. Praise Lord oBAMA. 

[BlueStateSaint]

Here is a clue DUmbasses...in any poll taken Santa is extremely popular,the credit card bill in January not so much.

H5 for putting it in a way that they can should understand.

[franksolich]

My good pal Manny's reasoning is so stupid, so unlike him, that I'm sure he's pulling the primitives' legs.

[Karin]

Oh dear, quite a bonfire going.  I thought this was funny; of course Prosense and Tridim have to jump in:

Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:35 AM

Star Member tridim (42,995 posts)

18. I get no subsidy and my individual plan is half the price of my employer plan.

You're just making it up.

Response to tridim (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:39 AM

Star Member MannyGoldstein (25,129 posts)

27. That. Was. A. Quote. From. ProSense's. Cited. Article.
 
Perhaps you should notify ProSense that she's spraying BS on the Internet.

   Like a robot!

[Carl]

Discussion of civics is right behind economics and Constitutional matters when it comes to amusement.
Honest to God they all seem to think that the Senate and House is some sort of all encompassing national election rather than state and district ones.

[diesel driver]

Wow!  It only took DUmmies 5 years to figure out Obamacare is a "Cluster Foxtrot", something we knew it would be from day 1.

And yet, WE'RE the "slow" ones...   

I hope they all die from something "their" insurance won't cover.   

[Carl]

Wow!  It only took DUmmies 5 years to figure out Obamacare is a "Cluster Foxtrot", something we knew it would be from day 1.

And yet, WE'RE the "slow" ones...   

I hope they all die from something "their" insurance won't cover.   

AMEN!

[Wineslob]

ObamaRomneyCare!

New meme. Run with it, DUmbass.

[98ZJUSMC]

sabrina 1 (41,535 posts)
205. I will never forget it. The excuse fall apart when not one Republican voted for the bill. All I

could think of was 'they lied to us', OUR party. They had enough votes to pass a bill with the PO and to STICK IT to the Republicans. Then we had to try to process that, WHY didn't they do it? The last few years have been one hell of an education.

No, it wasn't.  You've learned nothing.  Education is the result of learning.

There are plenty of stories both good and bad about it.

All your "good" stories have be proven to be lies, false flags and baseless bullshit.  Try again.

[Freeper]

Sorry DUmmies, you can't blame this on the repukes they all voted no. This bill is 100% the fault of the democrats.

[BlueStateSaint]

No, it wasn't.  You've learned nothing.  Education is the result of learning.

Well, then, one could apply this to sabrina's post . . .

[GOBUCKS]

There are plenty of stories both good and bad about it.

Good and bad stories about the democrat medical plan?

That reminds me of Taverner whining about prejudice against heroin.

[AllosaursRus]

As expected these DUmbasses still carry the torch for the Lying One. You could shit on a plate, tell them it was the "Bummer's and they'd lap it up like caviar!

Total oblivion!

[obumazombie]

We are making progress with the "progressives". Not once have they tried to blame Bush.

[franksolich]

As expected these DUmbasses still carry the torch for the Lying One. You could shit on a plate, tell them it was the "Bummer's and they'd lap it up like caviar!

Oh my.

How crude, but oh how true.

That's even better than TxRadioGuy's comment a few years back, that the Big Zero could hoist his dirty underwear up a flagpole, and the primitives would salute it.

Really, the primitives are s-o-o-o-o-o carried away with the cult of the personality.

[AllosaursRus]

Oh my.

How crude, but oh how true.

That's even better than TxRadioGuy's comment a few years back, that the Big Zero could hoist his dirty underwear up a flagpole, and the primitives would salute it.

Really, the primitives are s-o-o-o-o-o carried away with the cult of the personality.

So slap me! Hahahahahahaha! Glad I'm in the same company as Tx! A privilege, to say the least!

[Delmar]

Sorry DUmmies, you can't blame this on the repukes they all voted no. This bill is 100% the fault of the democrats.

A memory refresher for the DUmmies trying to rewrite history.

[delilahmused]

First of all, can someone tell me what the doctor's union is?

And to the DUmmie who's paying less for 0bamacare than they would with their employer provided plan: They must be living 250% below the poverty level and have the silver plan because thats the ONLY group that gets a subsidy. If you're 250% below the poverty line and can only afford the bronze plan, sucks to be you because you won't get a subsidy. And your employer would have to be providing the absolute worse plan history since they portion they pay lowers your cost significantly.

Oh, and according to Forbes (they provide a link to their data analysis, lest you just blow them off as being lying conservatives):

"What varies between these different metal plans? Mostly, just the co-pay structure and deductibles. As you pay higher premiums for a gold or platinum plan, your deductibles and co-pays will decline. The insurer will typically cover 60 percent of expected medical expenses in a bronze plan, 80 percent in a gold plan and 90 percent in a platinum plan. So, by buying the costlier plans, all you’re doing is fronting a higher premium to buy down your anticipated out of pocket costs. You’re not getting a better network of doctors or a better formulary of drugs."

But then, most of you don't have the brains or guts to look beyond the rhetoric of the boy king and the rest of your leaders. Blind followers are life's losers.

Cindie