cali: Fate of the world rests on Barrycare...

[dutch508]

cali (89,754 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024042278

Yes, democrats fate in 2014 depends on the success or failure of the ACA
(I hate referring to it as "Obamacare", regardless)

[cut out the fat]

Look, if you want to panic, go for it, but why not wait a few months? Public perceptions can shift substantially in a matter of days, let alone months, and beside, the public hasn't yet rejected the ACA. It's pretty predictable that some vulnerable House dems would panic: Take a look at the list of 39 who voted with repubs yesterday- they're almost all from districts where they're vulnerable from a challenge from the right.

Yeah... everyone will love Barrycare once employers start cutting all their plans... and the individual plans run out---again... Just Before the Elections in '14...

cali (89,754 posts)
2. Our best hopes are that the ACA works fairly well

including in red states and that other events in the coming year (something that will certainly happen) overtake the Media message that the ACA is a failure.

 


Hope on one hand and shit on another- see which one fills up faster.

Savannahmann (1,949 posts)
9. Cali, it's rare that I disagree with you.

I do agree with the presumption, which is that the democrats chances in 2014, and further into 2016, ride on the ACA (Like you I don't use the term that Obamacare) but here is where we disagree.

Insurance companies will be going through enough paper to cause the death of a national forest sending those who do subscribe the lists that they need. That list is the covered procedures, you know the debates here, and the doctors who are covered. Then those people armed with their new insurance cards thanks to the Democratic Party, will start calling and trying to make an appointment. As I've already pointed out, many GP's are not accepting new patients, and that is before the ACA kicks in come January. OB/GYN's are similarly unwilling to take new patients, you have to be pregnant to get an appointment with many Doctors.

So every month, the bill has to be paid for their insurance, and every month they are unable to get the preventative care that we promised them. Who will they blame? The party of no in the form of the Rethugs? They'll blame those who made promises they could not keep. I think it's past time that we came up with a good plan to offer improvements. Even if the Rethugs shut it down in the house, at least we're seen as swinging away trying to make things better.

Oh, yes... the worst of Barrycare is yet to come...why do you think the dems keep kicking the can down the road?

[Ralph Wiggum]

Two of the 39 Dems who voted for the Republican bill are the only two House Democrats from my home state of Iowa.  Neither is particularly vulnerable, as both are for the most part moderate Dems.  I suspect they can both see what a giant cluster-f*ck the ACA/0bamaCare is.

[Karin]

Just wait till people start dying.  There was a congressman from WI on tv, telling us about one of his constituents.  He's a transplant candidate, and was getting close to the procedure.  His insurance, which covered it, dropped him.  The obozocare policies do not cover it.  Although he's covered if he gets pregnant.  The guy is terrified for his own life. 

And, on Jan 1, a whole lot of cancer patients will not be receiving chemo. 

[BannedFromDU]

Just wait till people start dying.  There was a congressman from WI on tv, telling us about one of his constituents.  He's a transplant candidate, and was getting close to the procedure.  His insurance, which covered it, dropped him.  The obozocare policies do not cover it.  Although he's covered if he gets pregnant.  The guy is terrified for his own life. 

And, on Jan 1, a whole lot of cancer patients will not be receiving chemo. 

     B.H. O'blivious may think it's bad now...just wait until 2014 when the rubber really hits the road and people are in pain. He could get impeached over this, and I'm hardly kidding.

[Bad Dog]

Just wait till people start dying.  There was a congressman from WI on tv, telling us about one of his constituents.  He's a transplant candidate, and was getting close to the procedure.  His insurance, which covered it, dropped him.  The obozocare policies do not cover it.  Although he's covered if he gets pregnant.  The guy is terrified for his own life. 

And, on Jan 1, a whole lot of cancer patients will not be receiving chemo. 

All it takes is one.  They really could have shortened their posts to "we are so f*****"

[ChuckJ]

cali (89,754 posts)
2. Our best hopes are that the ACA works fairly well

including in red states and that other events in the coming year (something that will certainly happen) overtake the Media message that the ACA is a failure.

I, too, am sure other events will happen. One of things this administration has done is provide a steady string of scandals so I’m sure more is on the horizon.

I’ve come to the conclusion that the great number of scandals have actually been a benefit to this administration. What I mean by this is that just as the leftist media realizes they must focus on a scandal or be revealed as the shills that they are a new scandal emerges that they can just mention in passing and which helps to dilute the heat from and take peoples minds off of the previous scandal.

This administration makes the administration of President Cigar Horndog appear to be pure as the driven snow.

[Maxiest]

cali (89,754 posts)
2. Our best hopes are that the ACA works fairly well

including in red states and that other events in the coming year (something that will certainly happen) overtake the Media message that the ACA is a failure.

I love this... so telling of the DUmmies.  "Overtake" the media message uh?  Go forth and lie comrade!

[Traveshamockery]

Just like house and senate democrats, the DUmmies are panicking, and it's delicious to watch.  However, it's hardly a time for celebration on our side because this law is actually hurting people.  Unlike liberals and democrats, we don't like picking or choosing winners.  We want everyone to be a winner. 

Again, it's LIBERAL DEMOCRATS and DUmmies who think they know it all, and think they should decide if you win or lose, or whether you live or die.   

[Dori]

Just wait till people start dying.  There was a congressman from WI on tv, telling us about one of his constituents.  He's a transplant candidate, and was getting close to the procedure.  His insurance, which covered it, dropped him.  The obozocare policies do not cover it.  Although he's covered if he gets pregnant.  The guy is terrified for his own life.  

And, on Jan 1, a whole lot of cancer patients will not be receiving chemo.  

There are going to be a lot of hard working people who haven't asked for anything and have been responsible for themselves and will have to go without their insurance, because they can't afford the new premiums and out of pocket costs.

[BannedFromDU]

There are going to be a lot of hard working people who haven't asked for anything and have been responsible for themselves and will have to go without their insurance, because they can't afford the new premiums and out of pocket costs.

     Don't worry - as that guy on Megyn Kelly said, it's all the fault of Fox News.

[Dori]

     Don't worry - as that guy on Megyn Kelly said, it's all the fault of Fox News.

Wasn't that Rahm Emanuel's brother?  That guy is crazy.

[BannedFromDU]

Wasn't that Rahm Emanuel's brother?  That guy is crazy.

     I am super-excited that the psycho Emanuel brothers have their mitts on Chicago and heathcare. This will end well.

[Freeper]

Just wait till people start dying.  There was a congressman from WI on tv, telling us about one of his constituents.  He's a transplant candidate, and was getting close to the procedure.  His insurance, which covered it, dropped him.  The obozocare policies do not cover it.  Although he's covered if he gets pregnant.  The guy is terrified for his own life. 

And, on Jan 1, a whole lot of cancer patients will not be receiving chemo. 

We have to evaluate whether it's worth the cost of a kidney transplant, or if we should send him home with a pain pill and call it a day.
The funds we waste on his kidney could be used for a sex reassignment surgery for some deserving transsexual. Besides it's much more important for Sandra Fluke to get her birth control for free, that trumps a new kidney any day of the week. You damn oppressive right wing, sexist, homophobes.

[Dori]

We have to evaluate whether it's worth the cost of a kidney transplant, or if we should send him home with a pain pill and call it a day.
The funds we waste on his kidney could be used for a sex reassignment surgery for some deserving transsexual. Besides it's much more important for Sandra Fluke to get her birth control for free, that trumps a new kidney any day of the week. You damn oppressive right wing, sexist, homophobes.

I wonder how much Sandra Fluke has made since she gained stardom.  I would hate to have to pay her premiums and out of pocket costs for her "free" birth control.

Pay back is so delicious. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

I wonder how much Sandra Fluke has made gotten laid since she gained stardom.  I would hate to have to pay her premiums and out of pocket costs for her "free" birth control.

Pay back is so delicious. 

Fixed. 

[J P Sousa]

Wasn't that Rahm Emanuel's brother?  That guy is crazy.

You mean this guy ?

  Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Obama's top health care advisor, advocates denying care to elderly and disabled 


“ We recommend an alternative system--the complete lives system--which prioritises younger people who have not yet live a complete life and also incorporates prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value principles.”

In defending this approach against charges of ageism, Dr. Emanuel claims that because everyone was young once, prioritizing the young over the old is not discrimination:

“ Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different states rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years.


http://www.examiner.com/article/dr-ezekiel-emanuel-obama-s-top-health-care-advisor-advocates-denying-care-to-elderly-and-disabled

So basically when you reach age 65 under Obamacare, you become "Soylent Green".
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[Freeper]

You mean this guy ?

So basically when you reach age 65 under Obamacare, you become "Soylent Green".
.

Logan's Run coming to the USA soon.

[Delmar]

Two of the 39 Dems who voted for the Republican bill are the only two House Democrats from my home state of Iowa.  Neither is particularly vulnerable, as both are for the most part moderate Dems.  I suspect they can both see what a giant cluster-f*ck the ACA/0bamaCare is.

Braley echoed Barry over and over again that if you liked your plan you could keep it.  Maybe he figures that he was betrayed by Barry or maybe he figures that voters will think that he was in cahoots with Barry in betraying them and he needs to put a little distance between himself and the man-child in chief.