HughBeaumont's two degrees don't pay

[I_B_Perky]

Trolling for interesting threads at dummieville and I found this:
Wonder what his degree is in?

OP:

Star Member HughBeaumont (20,668 posts)

What I like to tell my RW friends regarding their "working HARDER to EARN a better wage" chestnut -
I GOT off my ass. I "WORKED harder". I ATTAINED two college degrees. Many of you have probably done the same at this point.

6 years after that happened, in 2001, want to know where I was at 32? Want to know where all that "HARD WORK and BOOTSTRAPPING" got me? Unemployed, along with millions of others who also got college degrees; some that hold greater weight than what I have.

I don't know, did we all "not make the right choices in life"? Did we all just "not work hard enough"??

Five months after I got canned from the first job, I (LUCKILY) was able to get another, better job that paid more than the old one; that's Anomaly #1 in a recession.

I've been at this job ever since 2001. Anomaly #2.

In almost 12 years of employment, I make, in inflation-adjusted dollars, approximately $2000 more a year than when I started in 2001. THAT'S economic reality. THAT'S the problem.

In America, I'm considered "One Extremely Lucky Bastard". In 2008-2009, I had to continually watch degreed professional after degreed professional get laid off all around me through no fault of their own; grown men and women crying on my shoulder, wondering what the hell's going to happen to them, all in this giant competitive quest for profit and margin preservation.

That, kids, is the tragic result of 33 years of wage suppression. That, children, is the result of the handler's "divide and conquer" play regarding the hoi polloi, hoping you didn't notice that they sponged up the productivity and wage gains.

That, in itself, is why I don't even want to hear about how this grand "Laissez-Fail" Hayek/Strauss/Friedman religious bullshit that America has been foisting on its people is going to eventually bear fruits for everyone who "WERKS HARDER". That is why "Horatio Alger" is a rotting turn of the century fossil that bears no semblance to 2013 economic reality.

I've been employed through three, count 'em, THREE recessions; each one worse than it's predecessor. Some of you have made it through four or five. It's because of seeing the results of widespread wage suppression that I become more progressive each passing year and more stringent in my belief that a widespread labor movement is more patently necessary as time goes on.

We need to look at these fast food union workers and LEARN from them, not laugh at and demean their "$15/hr fer berger flippin" message. A few years back, when the Failure Fuhrer was president, I attended a "Million Worker March" in D.C. .. . where at best, about three to four thousand showed up. Why is that? Is it that we're all scared or is it that we just don't see it as that big a deal that wages haven't risen in real value since 1979? Is it not that big a deal that our overall savings rate is non-existent thanks to the use of credit in the face of wage stagnation?

Why not JOIN the "burger flippers", as some call them? Their wages get raised, then so will yours. It's baby steps, people. This is how movements start. Don't fall for "divide and conquer" on this issue.

I guess those degrees in dumbassery studies didn't work out.

FreakinDJ (13,273 posts)
1. I'm union and I made a good 6 figures last year

1 bad year out of the last 10 where I only made $75K - THATS the DIFFERENCE A UNION MAKES

Don't get me wrong, I'm no high school drop out union thug who can't read nor write as the Koch Bros would like you to believe. I have a degree in electronics, but when the OUTSOURCER IN-CHIEF RONNIE RAYGUNS open the doors to China, electronics was the first to go.

Since joining the Union I have achieved my journeyman card and several High Demand Technical Certifications that keep me employed and earning top wages

just remember 1 thing

Divided we Beg

Another dummie lying.

n2doc (27,829 posts)
3. People who say that tend to be the laziest SOB's around n/t

Dummies tend to be the laziest SOB's around.

Mother Muckraker (18 posts)
4. Divide and Conquer

"working harder" is one of those lies they promote to put the responsibility on your shoulders. The productivity increases show that we've all been working harder while employment figures and income are not showing a similar increase.

One way the pro-corporate goons use to divide and conquer is creating false distinctions like "skilled" vs "unskilled". They did that during the recent BART strike here in the SF Bay Area and do the same with fast food workers. People who don't know any better will choose sides based on false choices and we end up fighting each other.

Who is president again? you wanted it, you got it.

flying rabbit (1,846 posts)
8. Preach it brother...

... THAT is what is killing our country.

They just don't get what is killing the country.

glowing (11,167 posts)
13. I've noticed many of those "work harder" types are

normally from an older generation that are retired... When they worked harder, they saw the results. Companies lasted longer, pensions were normal, benefits included as a norm, Dr prices and meds not extremely ridiculous as is now, and many didn't do it on a college degree. They worked there way up with training and compensation.

They have no clue. They still think working part time jobs at a burger joint during the summer can pay for one's tuition. They are so out of touch with the reality and the fact that many of them benefitted from labor unions pushing for workers rights.

And for many of them, they are greedy little pigs that don't care about others than themselves and their immediate families condition. I have literally heard idiots rail against Dems and then in the next breath say their daughter and son in law are making less money because the teacher and cop salary wage was cut, frozen, or furloughed... But we all pay "too much taxes". Delusional people with no clue who to blame.

I work harder and I am pretty successful dummie... and I am not retired either nor am I out of touch with reality.

SunSeeker (6,521 posts)
16. You just described my in-laws. Enjoying their pensions while voting Republican.

Assuming they worked the last 30 or so years they have seen the prosperity that repub policies bring.

golfguru (4,451 posts)
17. Things have improved a lot since president Obama took over

No one is starving anymore, food stamps eligibility has been lowered. No one will go without health insurance. If they can't afford it, they will be subsidized. No one will be rejected health insurance. Gays can get legally married. I can go on, but you get my drift.

Wait for it....

Skeeter Barnes (360 posts)
23. Economic disparity has gotten worse, not better, under Obama.

 

Skeeter is on tombstone watch.

Llewlladdwr (1,880 posts)
21. Just out of curiosity...

what were your degrees in?

 

Initech (40,651 posts)
24. I have worked at the same job since 2002.

Last edited Sun Sep 1, 2013, 10:19 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
In that time my wages went from $9.00,/hr to their current level of $12.35/hr. But a few weeks ago, I had my hours slashed to the point where I can no longer support myself with one job, and I'm exploring my options for working a second job. This ecoonomy sucks ass if you're not a billionaire or the upper 1%. I've pretty much come to accept that I will never have money. And affording property is something I will never experience in my lifetime. **** the upper 1%!

Another dummie that hasn't figured out how to get ahead.



That is pretty much it for now. Might grow though.

[NHSparky]

OUTSOURCER IN-CHIEF RONNIE RAYGUNS open the doors to China, electronics was the first to go.

Seems to me it was Clinton that granted China MFN trading status, not Reagan.  And I can think of plenty of good electronics firms that do quite well in the United States, thanks very much.

And if DUmmies are making $12/hr with a degree, then it wasn't time well spent, now was it?

[EagleKeeper]

Well...they want 15.

I wonder what they are going to do when the robots start replacing them.

I don't know if the idiot libs understand this but i would rather have a samitch made by a robot then by one of you, blinded by an iphone, idiots.

I encourage you to keep it up, this is going to turn out bad for you folkes you just don't understand why.

[Bad Dog]

Considering all the rage in HuggyBoo's post, I can see why he hasn't been promoted in the last 12 years.  I'm sure he tries to hide it but, his supervisors must sense the resentment boiling inside him.  He should feel lucky to have been kept on at all. 

[obumazombie]

2 degrees should be enough to evaluate the bankruptcy of Detroit.

[98ZJUSMC]

glowing (11,167 posts)
13. I've noticed many of those "work harder" types are

normally from an older generation that are retired... When they worked harder, they saw the results. Companies lasted longer, pensions were normal, benefits included as a norm, Dr prices and meds not extremely ridiculous as is now, and many didn't do it on a college degree. They worked there way up with training and compensation.

Yep.

They have no clue. They still think working part time jobs at a burger joint during the summer can pay for one's tuition. They are so out of touch with the reality and the fact that many of them benefitted from labor unions pushing for workers rights.

Nope.

And for many of them, they are greedy little pigs that don't care about others than themselves and their immediate families condition. I have literally heard idiots rail against Dems and then in the next breath say their daughter and son in law are making less money because the teacher and cop salary wage was cut, frozen, or furloughed... But we all pay "too much taxes". Delusional people with no clue who to blame.

You're an idiot and a f-ing liar.

Seems to me it was Clinton that granted China MFN trading status, not Reagan. And I can think of plenty of good electronics firms that do quite well in the United States, thanks very much. Me, too.

And if DUmmies are making $12/hr with a degree, then it wasn't time well spent, now was it?

When I try to think where in the hell they come up with that shit, I have to remember who is saying it.  

Liars.

That, kids, is the tragic result of 33 years of wage suppression.

God in heaven, the stupid burns.

[dane]

Seems to me it was Clinton that granted China MFN trading status, not Reagan.  And I can think of plenty of good electronics firms that do quite well in the United States, thanks very much.

And if DUmmies are making $12/hr with a degree, then it wasn't time well spent, now was it?

China has had MFN status since the late 70s.  There was some debate in congress about this following the Tianamen (sp?) protest, but that status continued.

There is a presidential renwewal/nonrewal decision annually.

One of Clinton's campaign promises was to deny MFN status to China, but as so many promises do, that one went away following the election.

[marv]

For many DUmmies, "hard work" means staying in skool long enough on mama and papa's, and the taxpayer's dime to get a degree or two. Then tacking the sheepskin to the wall and wait for the "deserved" big bucks to roll in.

[diesel driver]

For many DUmmies, "hard work" means staying in skool long enough on mama and papa's, and the taxpayer's dime to get a degree or two. Then tacking the sheepskin to the wall and wait for the "deserved" big bucks to roll in.

I would have LIKED to have a job in the field I got a degree in, but I took other jobs instead, and made more money at it to boot.

Jobs are like happiness, they don't just "happen", you  have to find them.

[BlueStateSaint]

I would have LIKED to have a job in the field I got a degree in, but I took other jobs instead, and made more money at it to boot.

Jobs are like happiness, they don't just "happen", you  have to find them.

That would require the presence of one of the four-letter words--WORK.

[miskie]

Problem is most of you DUmmies don't 'work harder' , you 'stay in school longer' - and as anyone who has been in college can tell you, College life isn't real life.

So, while you are busy getting multiple degrees while amassing a mountain of debt (that Obama decreed you can no longer wash away via bankruptcy, BTW), a typical person gets a Bachelor's in a study related to their field, gets out of school at about 22 or 23 and finds a job while they are young and industrious.

You primitives often spend an additional 6 to 8 years or so in school (to get your double masters -longer if you are a Ph.DD) and then hit the job market at 30 or older with a couple hundred grand in debt.

The person who left school at 22 has now been employed for 8 years, and if he/she is thrifty - most of their debt is gone. This person may also be your potential boss and at your interview will see someone who has done nothing but go to school well into adulthood and has no idea what a career is. He or she passes over you for another 22 year old go-getter.

You however, get to work in a 'convenient' store or as a burger flipper - and you earn just enough to pay off the interest on your massive self-incurred debt.

-Am I saying that college is bad ? - No. There are careers that absolutely require extensive education. And someone who is at the top of their field will kill that debt in no time. But you crazy people get a Masters Degree or better in fields where there are no jobs. Like History. Psychology. Sociology. Political Science.  

Poli-Sci is particularly laughable (and often applies to you DUmmies who think you are budding world leaders.) because you'll get to spend the first several years of your life as interns - And work for free. You might be able to get away with that in your early 20's but since you are probably better than 30, you are -as you DUdes like to say- 'screwn'

[JohnnyReb]

2 degrees....hmmmm....I'm beginning to think that he means he's only 2 degrees off from being totally insane.

[DumbAss Tanker]

2 degrees....hmmmm....I'm beginning to think that he means he's only 2 degrees off from being totally insane.

One of them is probably Medieval French Literature and the other is Music Appreciation.

Hey Hugh, since the end of the Viet Nam era, there have been three Dem Presidents and three GOP Presidents (With a like distribution of terms), with Dems in firm control of Congress the majority of the time.  Please elaborate on how wage stagnation since 1979 is entirely the fault of eeeevil Repuke governments and their crypto-Fascist economic theories.  I'm waiting...but not holding my breath.

[BlueStateSaint]

One of them is probably Medieval French Literature and the other is Music Appreciation.

Hey Hugh, since the end of the Viet Nam era, there have been three Dem Presidents and three GOP Presidents (With a like distribution of terms), with Dems in firm control of Congress the majority of the time.  Please elaborate on how wage stagnation since 1979 is entirely the fault of eeeevil Repuke governments and their crypto-Fascist economic theories.  I'm waiting...but not holding my breath.

DAT, clean out your PMs--I've been trying to PM you for a few days.

[USA4ME]

This is nothing more than "They told me if I did A, B, & C, that D would happen, but D hasn't happened." No, you idiot. If you do A, B & C there's a better chance that D will happen, but there's no guarantee. You've got to make D happen, it isn't just going to plop itself in your lap and say "You did A, B, & C, so here I am!"

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[diesel driver]

That would require the presence of one of the four-letter words--WORK.

Be careful using four-letter words on a forum about DUmmies.

That' 3 letters more than they can comprehend.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

DAT, clean out your PMs--I've been trying to PM you for a few days.

Sorry!  Dumped about 4 pages of old stuff, give it a try now.

[obumazombie]

Black studies. As Dave Chappel would say "White Power" ! Surely Hugh studied that.

[jukin]

Turns out that a BA in Ancient Angry Asian Lesbians and Modern Art doesn't teach you much of anything that other people, particularly employers, consider to be worthy or useful.

A Bachelor of Science on the other hand is a ticket to get into the game. Of course, a BS requires the most evil word in a DUche's vocabulary, WORK.

The harder and more I work, the luckier I get.

[GOBUCKS]

People graduating with a B.S. in engineering disciplines are still being offered $5K - $6K per month, with benefits, as starting salaries right out of school.

But democrats don't do math.

[DumbAss Tanker]

The harder and more I work, the luckier I get.

It's funny how that works...it's almost like there's some kind of, oh I don't know, a correlation, or something...

[DefiantSix]

People graduating with a B.S. in engineering disciplines are still being offered $5K - $6K per month, with benefits, as starting salaries right out of school.

But democrats don't do math.

Aren't really into science, either. Their version of "science" relies on a concensus of "scientists" shouting down the evil heretics and "deniers", as befits a mindless DUmmy'Rat mob.

[obumazombie]

It's funny how that works...it's almost like there's some kind of, oh I don't know, a correlation, or something...

Sometimes correlation is causation.

[GOBUCKS]

Five months after I got canned from the first job, I (LUCKILY) was able to get another, better job that paid more than the old one; that's Anomaly #1 in a recession.

A recession? The DUmmy was living in one of the most prosperous boomtimes in history.

That was 2001, at the onset of the Great Bush Prosperity.

Even for a DUmmy, it was tough to do poorly during the Great Bush Prosperity.

But many of them managed to do just that.