According to our doctor, there is a new law related to Obamacare - they must dr

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Holly_Hobby (2,075 posts)

According to our doctor, there is a new law related to Obamacare - they must drug-test you


 
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My husband and I both see the same doctor. Today, she said the next time a blood test is required for health reasons, she must check us for all illicit and Rx drugs in our system, including nicotine. She said it was a new law related to Obamacare, so people can't lie about smoking or using pot or taking someone else's pain meds, or doctor-shop. When you apply for Obamacare, it will ask if you smoke, for instance. The blood test will either prove you right or wrong.

Has anyone else heard about this new law? Thanks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023492727

I would love for this to be true. The bellyaching from the DUmp would be epic. 

Star Member babylonsister (144,850 posts)
1. I call major bullshit.

I haven't read or heard a word about this. What state do you live in?

Well to be fair the bill is almost 3,000 pages long so there is no telling what is actually in it, remember we had to pass it to find out what is in it?

Xithras (13,684 posts)
14. Sorry to break this to everyone, but it's actually NOT bullshit.

Last edited Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:59 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

There is a provision in the ACA that allows insurers to charge up to 50% higher premiums for individuals who use drugs, including tobacco, and your insurance company can require annual testing for those substances. A number of insurance companies are reacting to this by simply requiring the screening during the blood test during your regular annual physical. It will be an invisible screening for you.

There is also a nullifying feature for the rate hike stating that you can't be charged extra if you are actively participating in any treatment programs. Because of that, there's some question as to how aggressively the insurance companies will be pursuing this, as a simple conversation with your doctor may qualify as a "treatment program", and they could end up spending more on testing and enforcement than they will actually collect in higher premiums. Whether the insurance companies will really implement this on a large scale remains to be seen.

On Edit:. The actual rule changes were a part of the CMS-9972-P rulemaking last year, which identified groups eligible for higher premiums. Smokers and drug abusers were at the top of the list.

The DUmp is in major trouble then, 90% of those fools couldn't pass a piss test if you gave them an entire year to prepare for it.

zipplewrath (9,172 posts)
30. It's not required

The "lie" here is that the government is requiring this. The government is ALLOWING this, but it is the insurance companies that are choosing to require this.

Oh, and it is probably only the beginning. My insurance has been doing something similar for years (I only have to "certify" that I don't smoke right now). And we get "incentives" for wearing pedometers and reporting the information electronically. I figure BMI checks will come next.

You can't be denied coverage for "pre-existing conditions" but they'll be able to charge you more for smoking today, and some day for a BMI level higher than someone deems "normal".

Yeah, but how long does it usually take the government to go from allowing something to mandating it?

Star Member FLyellowdog (3,888 posts)
22. I don't know if it's Obamacare or not...

Last edited Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:09 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

but my last doctor's visit required a blood test to determine if I was actually taking the drugs I'd been prescribed. It was explained that it was a way to identify people who might be getting Rx drugs and selling them instead of taking them.

One way to cut down on such behavior. I don't mind.

Can't blame the doctor for treating a DUmmy like that.

Star Member RC (22,931 posts)
37. You should. Basically they are saying the do not trust you to tell them the truth.

One more freedom lost. Drip, drip, drip...

You voted for it.

Star Member snappyturtle (12,855 posts)
27. ....and treat us like children unable to tell them what we take?

Why not? You want us treated like children for everything else in life.

[Ptarmigan]

The leftists wanted it. No? You get what you ask for. So, I suggest you quit whining.

[Delmar]

Response to babylonsister (Reply #1)Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:14 PM
kysrsoze (3,372 posts)
2. Yeah, ask the asshole to produce something printed

I'd tell the good doctor where to stick it and find a new one.

Good luck finding a new doctor, you'll go to the doctor that Barry tells you to go to and like it.

[GOBUCKS]

Star Member FLyellowdog (3,888 posts)
22. I don't know if it's Obamacare or not...
but my last doctor's visit required a blood test to determine if I was actually taking the drugs I'd been prescribed. It was explained that it was a way to identify people who might be getting Rx drugs and selling them instead of taking them.

I think that DUmmy's doctor practices at a methadone clinic.

[DLR Pyro]

The leftists wanted it. No? You get what you ask for. So, I suggest you quit whining.

I'll bet they wished they had read the bill before they passed it now.

[JohnnyReb]

Obama smokes and drinks......but he'll be covered.

[DefiantSix]

Obama smokes and drinks......but he'll be covered EXEMPT.

Fixt for accuracy. 

[RobJohnson]

I think that DUmmy's doctor practices at a methadone clinic.

No need to go to a clinic. Many Medicaid patients get high monthly quantities of methadone monthly from their pain doctor.

[zeitgeist]

Wait now, DrUg testing in ObieKare

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023492727

Talk about your perfect storm. DUmmies are begging to feel the pain from government intrusion into their self medication.  Take a stroll through the recriminations as we find that "Yes Julia, your Uncle Sam really does want to 'suck your blood' to test for substance abuse."

Holly_Hobby lobs the ball over the net here:

Holly_Hobby (2,075 posts)

According to our doctor, there is a new law related to Obamacare - they must drug-test you    
My husband and I both see the same doctor. Today, she said the next time a blood test is required for health reasons, she must check us for all illicit and Rx drugs in our system, including nicotine. She said it was a new law related to Obamacare, so people can't lie about smoking or using pot or taking someone else's pain meds, or doctor-shop. When you apply for Obamacare, it will ask if you smoke, for instance. The blood test will either prove you right or wrong.

Has anyone else heard about this new law? Thanks

And of course the front court spikes it right back at her.

babylonsister (144,850 posts)

1. I call major bullshit.
I haven't read or heard a word about this. What state do you live in?

Harrumph, Well, if I haven't heard of it, it simply cannot be so, so there.  

This is followed by any number of posts which pretty much follow suit.  Then excrement happens here:

Xithras (13,684 posts)

14. Sorry to break this to everyone, but it's actually NOT bullshit.
Last edited Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:59 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

There is a provision in the ACA that allows insurers to charge up to 50% higher premiums for individuals who use drugs, including tobacco, and your insurance company can require annual testing for those substances. A number of insurance companies are reacting to this by simply requiring the screening during the blood test during your regular annual physical. It will be an invisible screening for you.

There is also a nullifying feature for the rate hike stating that you can't be charged extra if you are actively participating in any treatment programs. Because of that, there's some question as to how aggressively the insurance companies will be pursuing this, as a simple conversation with your doctor may qualify as a "treatment program", and they could end up spending more on testing and enforcement than they will actually collect in higher premiums. Whether the insurance companies will really implement this on a large scale remains to be seen.

On Edit:. The actual rule changes were a part of the CMS-9972-P rulemaking last year, which identified groups eligible for higher premiums. Smokers and drug abusers were at the top of the list.  

So listen to a Little Richard as you read the thread.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ6h0kyqSRk[/youtube]
Good Golly Miss Molly how did this ever happen.

This thread drips with lots more crunchy DU goodness.

  Own it DUmmies, Own it.

[Skul]

The primitive parasites are going to be upset they have to do something in order to take other peoples money.
That might be an interesting thread to follow.

[Karin]

Response to Holly_Hobby (Original post)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:04 PM
lynne (3,035 posts)
21. ...Now they literally want blood. I will guarantee that people will go without medical care to avoid giving a blood sample to the government. 

You got that right. 

[MrsSmith]

Seriously?  Dear Leader did something the DUmmies don't like?  Cry me a river...   

[FiddyBeowulf]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023492727



Well to be fair the bill is almost 3,000 pages long so there is no telling what is actually in it, remember we had to pass it to find out what is in it?

It is actually more than 10,000 pages and that is an admission from the Washington Post who parsed that number down from 20,000. Using the 3,000 number really does not convey just how overreaching, bloated and every expanding the ACA is.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/how-many-pages-of-regulations-for-obamacare/2013/05/14/61eec914-bcf9-11e2-9b09-1638acc3942e_blog.html

[67 Rover]

Response to Holly_Hobby (Original post)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:04 PM
lynne (3,035 posts)
21. ...Now they literally want blood. I will guarantee that people will go without medical care to avoid giving a blood sample to the government.

Well then my friend be prepared to receive a no knock warrant served by armed and masked IRS agents at 03:00 where they will probably shoot the dog first and then flash bang your ass right out of your drug induced stupor, that is all before hauling you downtown in your skivvies for intense questioning and most likely jail if the fine tax is not promptly paid.

[USA4ME]

Boy, this really cuts into their "I'll pay maybe $200-$300 a year in premiums and get all my doctor visits and medicines for FREE" plans, doesn't it?

RC

You should. Basically they are saying the do not trust you to tell them the truth.

One more freedom lost. Drip, drip, drip...

Ah, so you wanted to lie about your medical condition so you could get the lowest possible premium payments. What about all that "pay your fair share" stuff? Oh, that's for those who have more money than you. I forgot.

lynne

Now they literally want blood. I will guarantee that people will go without medical care to avoid giving a blood sample to the government.

But the whole point of this is to get everyone enrolled and paying something in order to lower everyone's overall costs of medical care and medicines. If they don't participate, that will throw a wrench into Dear Leader's plans. And you don't want to go against Dear Leader, do you? I mean, after all that time you spent working to get him elected, now you're going to turn your back on him at his time of need? What kind of useful idiot are you?

pnwmom

23. If only there wasn't a penalty. Because doctors should know about any substances in a system that could be causing symptoms or interacting with prescribed medications.

So you want to engage in risky behavior but don't want to pay higher premiums for your healthcare which will eventually cost more because of your risky behavior? Gotcha!

Mooch.

.

[98ZJUSMC]

Star Member RC (22,931 posts)
37. You should. Basically they are saying the do not trust you to tell them the truth.

One more freedom lost. Drip, drip, drip...

You voted for it.

Yep.  FOAD primitives, first the hosannas were deafening now, the bitching is becoming epic.

You wanted it.   

You voted for it. 

You tried to silence all dissent against it.

You were told exactly what was going to happen.  Repeatedly.

FOAD.

[obumazombie]

The libs that wrote owebumacare hate tobacco, but love all other illicit drugs. I can't see them wanting drug testing.



edit e

[FiddyBeowulf]

The libs that wrote owebumacare hate tobacco, but love all other illicit drugs. I can't see them wanting drug testing.



edit e

The libs that wrote it probably put a loophole in it to make themselves exempt.

[RobJohnson]

lynne (3,035 posts)
21. Wonder if those of us with private insurance will be required to do it, too?

I have no need for Obamacare - I have private insurance - yet it continues to screw things up for me. My work hours were limited at the beginning of the year to make sure my employer wouldn't have to offer me coverage. Coverage that I don't need and would refuse. However, there's no "opt out" for those of us who don't need coverage and I'm now capped at 29 hrs. per week.

Now they literally want blood. I will guarantee that people will go without medical care to avoid giving a blood sample to the government. 

[zeitgeist]

Now I may be old fashioned but when I go to the doctor or hospital I want them to know EVERYTHING about me so they can make informed decisions regarding my care.  Need blood?  Poke away, I got great veins.  Urine sample?  Hand me that cup and say when.  DNA?  Well, I gave that for a genealogy project years ago so swab away.  I got no secrets, they got pictures to prove it, amazing where they can stick them cameras.

[I_B_Perky]

Yep.  FOAD primitives, first the hosannas were deafening now, the bitching is becoming epic.

You wanted it.   

You voted for it. 

You tried to silence all dissent against it.

You were told exactly what was going to happen.  Repeatedly.

FOAD.

What he said dummies. We told you and told you and freaking told you again. You would not listen and now you are finding out just what the morons in DC have in store for you. Since I smoke, that probably means my insurance will go up 50 percent instead of the 10 bucks extra a month I pay now.

I hope all you dummie die from withdrawal.