Look, We all hate Zimmerman's actions...

[dutch508]

DSB states the obvious Liberal position that Zimmerman is guilty, even if he is found innocent. Be a shame if there were riots, though--- but understandable…

DemocratSinceBirth (46,148 posts)

Look, We all hate Zimmerman's actions
But we need to gird ourselves for the possibility that he walks. I have watched the testimony and the commentary fairly closely and it looks like a uphill slope for the prosecution.

To most of us it seems like a open and shut case; a armed guy follows an unarmed kid, and ends up getting in a fight that ends with the unarmed kid dead.

But trials aren't about a rational and deliberate search for the truth. I'm not saying our adversarial system of justice isn't the best system of justice in the world; especially if you have the dough, but it isn't about a rational and deliberate search for the truth.

I have seen it all in civil trials. The defense throws up enough red herrings, straw men, and a plethora of barriers to to the truth until the jury is confused and incapable of rendering what most folks see as the proper verdict when the trial began.

I pray I am wrong. Because if Zimmerman walks , the inferences on why he did will rock this nation.

  Cooley Hurd (21,275 posts)
1. I wonder if there will be a repeat of the Rodney King trial aftermath if he is found innocent?
 
The possibility is there. Couple this with what SCOTUS did regarding Section 4b of the Voting Rights Act, and African-Americans would have every right to be pissed off.

There will be riots regardless. Bank it. [/wmPitt]

DemocratSinceBirth (46,148 posts)
7. I actually lived in that general area for most of my life and know some of the antagonists.
 
I don't expect much civil unrest.

But it still sucks if he walks.

DSB replies to the LA riots--- yeah, I doubt there will be unrest…

bravenak (376 posts)
11. Especially since he was acting improperly. If he gets off, he better hide out until things cool off.
 
We will need to review our procedures in schools about stranger danger. Trayvon followed the guidelines of what to do if your in danger of abduction or are being followed. I did not work. What will we say to our teenagers? Just do what the stranger tells you? It's sad.
http://childparenting.about.com/od/healthsafety/a/Protecting-Against-Child-Predators-Beyond-Stranger-Danger_2.htm

I am sorry… What?

bravenak (376 posts)
20. Can't give the bullet proof vests. They're illegal in some places.
 
Run, you look suspicious and get shot. Confront the person, get shot. Hide, they find you , you get shot. Fight back, get shot. A kid just ain't safe in a gated community anymore.

WTF?

Tippy (4,417 posts)
3. And I will say it again..."Zimmerman is the product of the NRA"

  DemocratSinceBirth (46,148 posts)
14. My editorial "We" includes all "right thinking people"

Only people who think along the Liberal talking points are right thinking people… everyone else?

DemocratSinceBirth (46,148 posts)
18. We know that Zimmerman was packing and Trayvon wasn't.
 
Unless a person believes that Trayvon just started to beat Zimmerman to death for shit and kicks, in defiance of logic and all the evidence, I don't see how that person can absolve Zimmerman of all culpability.

DemocratSinceBirth (46,148 posts)
24. For the sake of argument I'm willing to stipulate Trayvon was a tough kid.
 
But even "tough kids" don't go around beating up random strangers. What's Trayvon's motive? If he was with his friends you could argue he was trying to impress them but he was alone.

Mr.Brush then comes in to clean up the twisted logic:

brush (1,138 posts)
33. Come on.
 
Martin's hands had no bruises or evidence of being in a fight. There also was no dna from zimmerman on him. Both of these facts came out in the trial.

I thought you were following this?

If Martin was "raining down blows" on zimmerman as one witness (who had to recant his lie) said, Martin's hands and knuckles would have shown severe bruising from such a fight.

IMHO, zimmerman made that up to cover his ass after killing the kid.

Oh, wait… no he don’t [/travon’switness]

dkf (33,752 posts)
39. Leaks of the autopsy show broken skin on Martin's knuckles.
 
"WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles."

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

We will get the forensic testimony next week. I think that will clear up a lot.

That’s going to leave a mark.

brush (1,138 posts)
47. I read the link
 
It said Martin had a bruise on one knuckle that could be consistent with defending himself. You'd certainly get more than a bruise on one knuckle if you were raining down blows onto someone's head and mouth and nose.

If you ever been in a fist fight you know your hands get battered, maybe cut, from hitting teeth and bone and causing blood to flow.

Yet there was no zimmerman dna on his hands, yet zimmy allegedly had the bloody nose and head. Blood is dna.

There was none on Martin's body.

Someone is lying.

Well, yeah…

brush (1,138 posts)
29. If he walks . . .
 
he'll be taken care of. Nature kind of has a way of correcting wrongs.

It could be just a car accident, or maybe, irony or all ironies, someone with firearm will take it upon themselves to right an egregious wrong.

One way or another he'll get his.

I am sorry… was that a death threat?

brush (1,138 posts)
40. It's karma
 
Nothing new. Recent examples of karma correcting wrongs was the defeat of all the "legitimate rape" repugs in the 2012 election. Stuff happens and then there are corrections

I only gave an imaginary scenario of how zimmerman might get his comeuppance from an armed person. I'm not advocating that but it could be nature's way of taking him out to balance things.

It could be he slips and falls during a storm on wet concrete and hits his head. That would be another bit of irony.

We see what happens to him if he walks. I don't think he will though.

Yes, see the liberal mind train in action. Zimmerman is found innocent he will be killed for his ‘crime’ against the liberal hive mind.

[Delmar]

bravenak (376 posts)
11. Especially since he was acting improperly. If he gets off, he better hide out until things cool off.
 
We will need to review our procedures in schools about stranger danger. Trayvon followed the guidelines of what to do if your in danger of abduction or are being followed. I did not work. What will we say to our teenagers? Just do what the stranger tells you? It's sad.

bravenak (376 posts)
20. Can't give the bullet proof vests. They're illegal in some places.
 
Run, you look suspicious and get shot. Confront the person, get shot. Hide, they find you , you get shot. Fight back, get shot. A kid just ain't safe in a gated community anymore.

If only Trayvon had had a phone or some other way of reaching out to the police for help.

[USA4ME]

As with any topic, they have their narrative and their marching orders. Facts are a pesky nuisance. Liberals are emotion based, there is no logic.

I have no idea how this trial will come out, but I certainly haven't already decided he's guilty or not guilty yet. The trial is far from over and the defense's case hasn't even started.

.

[Evil_Conservative]

How cute.  I like the stranger danger post.  That was funny.

[Bad Dog]

How cute.  I like the stranger danger post.  That was funny.

Seems to help some of them to view Trayvon as an innocent child.  You know.....Like Obummers son.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Seems to help some of them to view Trayvon as an innocent child.  You know.....Like Obummers son.

They will assume whatever view is politically convenient.

They need a story about bad guns and racism.

It's hard to get carried through life under the current system.

So the system needs to be over thrown.

It's hard to be agitators to overthrow the system unless you can prove the system is corrupt.

It's hard to prove the system is corrupt when the system works as designed.

So they have to fabricate mythologies as evidence.

[vesta111]

Seems to help some of them to view Trayvon as an innocent child.  You know.....Like Obummers son.

Watch the SPIN, now Zimmerman has gone from a Latino to a WHITE Latino.  Some how his heritage has changed to the black community to a White Cracker Ass.

Just like Obama that had a black father, who ever he was but the white side of his family that did more to raise him and birth him then his fathers side ever did is now the word that shall not be said.

Were I Latino, Cuban or any race from south of the border, I would be outraged to hear a black can beat up any one of my race then try to call them White.

So with this thinking everyone is White but pure bread first generation Blacks. Interesting idea turn the racists on their heads, and say anyone with one drop of White in them is a White person.

Sorry I do remember some people years ago telling me that any White person with a great grand parent that was black is black regardless of all the White blood infused for 4 generations.

Didn't catch my attention until I studied the Holocaust and found 3 generations of Christians were considered  Jews due to a long ago ancestor.

[Mr Mannn]

How cute.  I like the stranger danger post.  That was funny.

Yeah. We need to update the stranger danger bit though.

"Don't walk though other people's back yards looking through their windows. Then YOU are the Stranger Danger."

[dixierose]

Yeah. We need to update the stranger danger bit though.

"Don't walk though other people's back yards looking through their windows. Then YOU are the Stranger Danger."

I don't recall turning around and confronting the "stranger" a part of the stranger danger classes either.

[dandi]

DemocratSinceBirth (46,148 posts)
24. For the sake of argument I'm willing to stipulate Trayvon was a tough kid.
 
But even "tough kids" don't go around beating up random strangers. What's Trayvon's motive? If he was with his friends you could argue he was trying to impress them but he was alone.

Nawww, that never happens...


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http://newsone.com/2001628/black-baltimore-men-caught-on-tape-beating-white-man-worldstarhiphop/

Man sentenced for deadly beating in 2010
http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/Man-sentenced-for-deadly-beating-in-2010-171877441.html


And that was just with a couple of minutes searching.

Like I said, they live in a different universe.

[chitownchica]

DemocratSinceBirth (46,148 posts)
24. For the sake of argument I'm willing to stipulate Trayvon was a tough kid.
 
But even "tough kids" don't go around beating up random strangers. What's Trayvon's motive? If he was with his friends you could argue he was trying to impress them but he was alone.

DUmbass obviously doesn't keep up with news out of Chicago.  The 'yutes' get restless.

[jukin]

if you have not, I recommend any weapons that have been lost in tragic boat accidents to be loaded up.

[DLR Pyro]

DemocratSinceBirth (46,148 posts)
24. For the sake of argument I'm willing to stipulate Trayvon was a tough kid.
 

He wasn't just a tough kid.  He was da No Limit Nigga.  Just ax him youself.,  Oh wait, you can't...

[98ZJUSMC]

But trials aren't about a rational and deliberate search for the truth.

 

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bravenak (376 posts)
11. Especially since he was acting improperly. If he gets off, he better hide out until things cool off.
 
We will need to review our procedures in schools about stranger danger. Trayvon followed the guidelines of what to do if your in danger of abduction or are being followed. I did not work. What will we say to our teenagers? Just do what the stranger tells you? It's sad.

Simple moron, don't slink through neighborhoods staring in windows and darting between homes.  Problem solved.

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bravenak (376 posts)
20. Can't give the bullet proof vests. They're illegal in some places.
 
Run, you look suspicious and get shot. Confront the person, get shot. Hide, they find you , you get shot. Fight back, get shot.

Confront me and that will be the least of your worries.

A kid just ain't safe in a gated community anymore.

Yeeesh...

[dandi]

Trayvon followed the guidelines of what to do if your in danger of abduction or are being followed. I did not work.

I've seen those guidelines for kids. I must've missed the one that said, "If you notice a Hispanic guy watching you suspiciously and talking on his cell, rush them and attempt to pound their head into the sidewalk."

 

[ChuckJ]

As with any topic, they have their narrative and their marching orders. Facts are a pesky nuisance. Liberals are emotion based, there is no logic.

I have no idea how this trial will come out, but I certainly haven't already decided he's guilty or not guilty yet. The trial is far from over and the defense's case hasn't even started.

.

I haven't decided yet either; however, if they were to end the trial today and I had to make the decision based on the evidence and the prosecution's witnesses thus far I'd have to vote not guilty.

Strange really. You'd think that the prosecution's witnesses and evidence would have me leaning in the other direction.

[FiddyBeowulf]

If only Trayvon had had a phone or some other way of reaching out to the police for help.

He probably would just phone some fat chick anyway if he had one.

[GOBUCKS]

He probably would just phone some fat chick anyway if he had one.

Come on now. He loved her for her mind.

[Big Dog]

DemocratSinceBirth (46,148 posts)
14. My editorial "We" includes all "right thinking people"

No true Scotman...