Would some lurking DUmbass inform this DUmmy that there is not a one world order. No foreign entity has jurisdiction over any American politician over actions taken while in office.
It sounds more like she's telling her fellow DUmbasses to practice what they preach:
sabrina 1 (33,546 posts)
94. Why is he ordering it when he knows that thousands of civilians are being killed including hundreds
of children?
What is the purpose? Do YOU know?
Ever read any of the stories about the children how have been blown to bits by our drones?
Ever seen the texts of the lawsuits by parents, loved ones, feeling helpless in the face of the crimes committed against them?
It doesn't diminish us or these terrible tragedies that have occurred here to contemplate the horrors WE are reigning down on innocent populations who are just as valuable as human beings as we are. In fact it enhances us as a society to begin the process of ending our own terror attacks on other human beings, innocent human beings.
Unless of course we are to believe that we are superior beings. That brown people in other countries are maybe, not as valuable, maybe two thirds of a person? One? Bigotry is a sickness of the soul.
What happened today here was a cowardly act of terror against innocent people who in no way deserved it.
What happens in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia are cowardly acts of terror against innocent people who in no way deserve it.
There is no difference, a terrorist act is a terrorist act. Ask the victims. They are more than willing to tell you of their grief but we don't hear them, do we? We ignore them. Why?
Nuclear Unicorn (6,675 posts)
95. For the same reason FDR leveled entire cities to hit a single ball bearing factory.
But hey, you think Obama is a war criminal. OK. Fine. It's your opinion, you're free to express it.
So who did you vote for last year?
sabrina 1 (33,546 posts)
97. I asked you a question. Here's another. Were you a supporter of Bush's slaughter of over one million
human beings, or did you join us in our attempts to stop him?
You didn't answer my last question. You veered off into some kind of claim that Hitler is involved somehow. Did a Pakistani child declare war on the US?
I don't expect an answer. I see you are going to defend and excuse and, well, tell us that Bush was right, that we are at war with the world, we have enemies everywhere which justifies anything we do, no matter how heinous. I could be wrong of course. Airc we Democrats fiercely opposed the killing of human beings by this country based on the lies told in order to try to get our support. We were not fooled.
When was the last time a Pakistani child blew up Americans here? Airc, most of our tragic massacres which appear to be occurring ever more frequentily, have been committed by White Americans. Should we start using drones here? The threats to our security, to our school children appear to be right here. Why are we not droning suspicious looking people and areas here? Wait, I know, we don't want to kill innocent people! What a concept!
I opposed Bush's brutal, illegal policies. I still do. I never believed a word he said. I still don't.
How about you?
Nuclear Unicorn (6,675 posts)
104. I answered your question you're just playing obtuse.
FDR ordered strikes on German ball bearing factories that used hundreds of planes dropping thousands of bombs per day for weeks at a time from high altitude which decreased the accuracy of the bombs but preserved the life of American pilots. He wasn't aiming at the German high command. He wasn't aiming at tanks or men or artillery. He was aiming at ball bearings. Small, tiny orbs of metal. And in the process tens of thousands of civilians died. An entire city was destroyed. And when they finished with that factory they went after another and another and another. They means more civilians died again and again and again.
Obama, in contrast, is using single aircraft firing a single weapon in an effort to hit people our best efforts tell us are the planners and coordinators of attacks similar to the one the OP claims we deserve (we don't). I see no reason to trade that formula for massive aerial bombing campaigns or boots on the ground. Nor do I see any reason to accuse Obama of indiscriminately killing civilians without provocation or a genuine effort to mitigate human suffering. If radical terrorists are as concerned about their families as we are supposed to be for their families then they should stop hiding amongst their families and they should stop deliberately attacking our families.
The drone attacks ordered by the President have incidental civilian casualties. The people he targets aim for civilians as a matter of policy. They're more than welcome to step-out of the shadows and fight military-to-military anytime they want.
So, since you obviously find Obama to be a war criminal -- who did you vote for?
I'll skip Purina1's posts...she's tedious.
I think she tries to wear down her opponents by volume of fire.
Nuclear Unicorn (6,675 posts)
116. You brought Bush into the discussion to evade
What's the difference between a Pakistani child and a German child? How is a German child being incinerated or dismembered any less horrendous? The only difference between Hitler and bin Laden are the resources they had at their disposal. Do you think if al Quarts had a modern, industrialized army they wouldn't use it?
Don't ask me what I think of the drone policy, ask President Obama.
All I'm asking is that you take 10 seconds off from your moral high horse to answer a simple question at Democratic Underground -- who did you vote for?
Nuclear Unicorn (6,675 posts)
127. I voted for Obama in 2008 and I voted for Obama in 2012 ever after he expanded the drone program
and waged a war in Libya with no discernible threat to the US. But I don't consider Obama a war criminal. Apparently you do. Why did you vote in 2012 for someone you consider a war criminal?
Nuclear Unicorn (6,675 posts)
130. You brought pre-emptive war into a thread about drones
Spare me your ideological loyalty test. I'm not playing silly games.
You could have sat-out 2012 or voted for a candidate that you didn't consider to be a war criminal. But you voted for a candidate you call a war criminal in all but name only. That kinda cuts your high horse off at the knees. You can complain Romney would not have scaled down the war in Afghanistan but that's pretty weak.
I voted for Obama knowing he had engaged in pre-emptive war and launched hundreds of drone strikes that killed thousands. I voted for him knowing he had ended some Bush-era policies but expanded others and some of those expansions have deadly consequences. I voted for him knowing that as grievous as I thought the war in Iraq was he would not prosecute or even hold a Truth and Reconciliation commission. I voted for him even though dozens of prisoners who cannot be convicted in a military tribunal are being held on his order as too dangerous to release.
And so did you.
In other words -- you're no better than me.
Actually, that makes you worse because you claim his acts are war crimes. I believe that Obama as a person is better than the allegations being slung at him. I think he's plowing ahead trying to make the best choices possible in a bad situation. I do not accuse him of torture and murder. You do. And the best you can do to justify your vote for what you deem torture and murder is to splutter about things not even a part of the OP.
I framed my initial response in the thread in the context that war is brutal. I noted that a single drone firing a single missile trying to kill the commanders of people making dedicated efforts to kill civilians was better than hundreds of bombers dropping thousands of bombs on a city in order to knock out a ball bearing factory. I maintain that position without apology. As horrific as the present war may be it is not anywhere close to the scale the world has suffered with in the past and I believe the President has chosen the policy because it is the one that preserves the most life on both sides of the firing line.
Nuclear Unicorn (6,675 posts)
137. Just how do you claim I'm pro-Bush while I defend President Obama
while exonerating yourself from policies you voted to perpetuate knowing full well what was happening? You're quite the contortionist.
