Masturbating Numbskull finds his niche as priest of Moloch

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Finally!

He gets his long sought-after attention and admiration.

TheMastersNemesis (2,422 posts)

Abortion Fight Really About Banning Or Outlawing Contraception All Along.

 It should be obvious that the abortion fight the since Roe V Wade has been about actually making, using or having contraception medications or devices illegal or unavailable has been the goal of the religious right and the Catholic church all along. How else is the public supposed to interpret their action or rhetoric?
 
What is most notable is how the GOP is still passing laws that are against abortion but also pushing laws like persons hood that would make contraception illegal itself. Personhood would take out most of methods of contraception as an option. And once they get personhood as the law of the land what is to stop them from sanctifying the egg and sperm as well.
 
And if you review the rest of their agenda they are against condoms or any other mechanical means that prevents fertilization. The only thing left is abstinence.
 
The GOP and fundies are following the dogma of the Catholic church that says all methods including sterilization are forbidden. And the Church also pretty much implies that you must have all the children God wills you.
 
So we are headed back to the middle ages if the fundies, the Church and the GOP gets its way in this country. The gay marriage issue aside, the attack on the right control the size of one's family is still under attack when you look at recent passed and proposed legislation on this matter. Even passing laws threatening doctors and support personnel for assisting in abortions. Stopping abortions because genetic defects.
 
And if that is not enough there is rhetoric out on the blogosphere about criminalizing adultery or sex outside of marriage. The latest pronouncement about punishing people for sex outside of marriage should make everyone take notice. Having covenant marriage and outlawing divorce are dreams of the fundies. No exception abortion laws are also on the books now.
 
Even though what is going on might seem to be isolated it is all part of the same approach to control a person's personal life. Even men will be effected if all the laws the fundies want ever get passed.
 
It might seem remote that the fundy agenda could become national. But you wonder when such terrible anti abortion laws are passed in places like North Dakota and Mississippi.
 
What is so amazing about such policies is that the people and organizations that almost demand such policies are against any law the promotes social or economic justice.

MichiganVote (18,778 posts)

1. Suppression of Women

GeoWilliam750 (39 posts)

17. And dominance over all people

The Republicans and right wingers are all about taking away the rights of others to "protect their own freedom"

southernyankeebelle (10,204 posts)

15. Sometimes I stay up at night because I can't sleep. I remember a few years back

when I came across the catholic channel and this couple was on with a priest. The discussion was her having had an abortion at one time and she never had told her husband because it was before they met. Well they were talking about abortion and the pill and that both should be outlawed. Then and there I realized the religious leaders in this country are going to impose their will on women. If the young women don't get out there in the streets and fight for their rights especially when it comes to birth control they will be in deep, deep trouble. No religion or government has a right to tell a woman what to do with their own bodies. It is so insulting. Women should leave their churchs in roves. WAKE UP WOMEN

ProfessionalLeftist (4,886 posts)

34. The American Taliban n/t

stochastic terrorism

gollygee (12,140 posts)

3. I remember ages ago

arguing with someone that the anti-abortion crowd would at some point attack contraceptives, and being told I was crazy and hysterical. "No one would ever try to take away any kind of contraceptive That's crazy!"
 
I hope that person remembers our conversation from many years ago.

When have we attacked contraception someone paid for themselves.

kestrel91316 (44,701 posts)

4. I've been catching flack for years and been called Chicken Little

about it since the 80s. I'e always said they really wanted to end all contraception.
 
And now I'm saying they want us all dead (liberals). If you think they don't, YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

GeoWilliam750 (39 posts)

18. No they do not want us dead

They want us subservient, submissive, and compliant; they seem to regard anything else as a threat.

TheMastersNemesis (2,422 posts)

6. Believed They Were After Contraception Even 30 Years Ago-

You are right most people would think you were hysterical if you proposed such and idea. The fact that these same fundies and the GOP were against condoms even to prevent HIV was the most important clue. And the other agenda was always in the background if one paid attention to the rhetoric.
 
Very few Americans know that contraception was pretty much illegal in the 19th century in many areas. Laws controlling sexual activity were common in many states. and there are some still on the books.
 
I do believe that you have to take these pseudo Christians seriously because they have infiltrated so much or our political landscape. When you have an active movement to "Christianize" our military like that that is going on at the Air Force Academy you need to take notice. And when you have a Christian community that is infiltrating the public school system via the voucher system you have to take notice.

Thinkingabout (1,449 posts)

30. I heard this in the background of their conversations but dont think it was all coming

From the Catholics, it was other groups which seem to desire to push their thought on everyone around them. I feel lots of pressure coming from the "evangelist" bunch also. I heard today this crazy side has been pushing anti abortion, anti birth control and getting prayer back in the schools but the person saying this did not think it was going to happen. If you just vote the way they want you to it will happen and we have ended up with the likes of GWB and Crazy Cruz. For those who vote for someone based on the fact "they are against abortion" is not getting the candidates properly. I tell them I vote against those candidates.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022585536

[BadCat]

GeoWilliam750 (39 posts)

18. No they do not want us dead

You'd be wrong here, earthbill.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

blkmusclmachine (2,336 posts)

8. Big Gov't In Your Vagina.

That's what I call getting f/cked.

oldhippydude (2,448 posts)

10. it's not only the Catholics...

add the Dominionists (quiversful practitioners), among other conservative Protestants...

shenmue (4,687 posts)

11. The fanatics want women to die for having sex they don't like.

And that's it. Ectopic pregnancies are just what the women deserve, according to these cretins.
 
Why isn't that murder?

Sex: it'll kill y'u!

Notice the dehumanization in this next post:

Rozlee (1,305 posts)

19. They want fetuses born no matter what.

I had a huge blowout with an anti-choice relative and two of her friends over another relative of ours that had an elective abortion due to an anencephalic fetus. She had her surgery during her fifth month. They argued that she should have carried it to term. It was God's will that it had been formed that way. I pointed out that children born anencephalic--without a central nervous system, or brain, can't control their breathing, can't usually regulate their body temperatures, usually have uncontrolled seizures, no swallowing reflex and other horrific problems. They mostly die minutes after birth, if not during the birth process itself. Few live a day or more. But, these dingbats would swear that life is so precious, that even a few minutes or hours of it were a gift from God that shouldn't be taken away. I don't think a baby like that could suffer pain since pain receptors are mostly in the brain, but what do I know? I just felt like decking them. A child like that, if it survived delivery, would be gasping for breath, freezing with cold and then burning alternately; having seizures, having pools of saliva choking it. What kind of precious gift is that?

Freddie (1,347 posts)

32. Friend of a friend

Young marrieds, thrilled to be expecting first baby. About 4 months along routine ultrasound showed the same problem, doctor suggested she end the pregnancy. Fundie Baptist, the girl insisted on carrying the baby full term; I'm really not sure if for her convictions or to spare herself family disapproval. So for the whole pregnancy, as she got bigger, people would coo over her belly and fuss over her while she knew the baby would die soon after birth. I can't imagine going through such torture if I had a choice about it. She developed complications and almost died giving birth to a full term stillborn boy.
 But she made her choice about this; can you imagine if you knew about the complication but had no choice? Or (chillingly evil) the doctor knew, but lied to you and said everything was fine?

hunter (15,759 posts)

25. The devil wants more souls.

Abortion and contraception disrupt the manufacturing process.

If people are making love and not making babies the devil gets cranky.

Would a guy who sells milk and veal give birth control pills to his cows? I think not.
 
There was, and may still be, a billboard in California's Conservative heartland that had a picture of a fetus and the message "This child was going to cure cancer. Abortion stops a beating heart."
 
Cynical me, I always figured to be fair and balanced they ought to have a billboard that says, "This child was going to be the next Hitler. Abortion stops a beating heart."
 
I was, in fact, tempted to make a pre-dawn expedition with my climbing gear, dark clothes, and a few cans of spray paint
 
For reasons that are entirely religious, I don't like abortion. But I recognize others have different religious or ethical foundations that are just as valid as my own so I do not oppose access to safe, unimpeded, and legal abortion.
 
I also think the best way to prevent abortions is early sex education and contraceptives. If kids know all about sex before the adolescent hormones kick in then they are less likely to get into trouble. It worked for me and my many siblings. It seems to be working for my kids. My parents, and my wife's parents, didn't figure it out until they had a couple more kids than they could comfortably support. But we always had enough food, lots of love, and a safe place to sleep, so it wasn't too bad...
 
The only conclusion I can draw from this is that the anti-abortion, anti-contraception religions want trouble. They see the fifteen year old scarlet letter girl carrying the preacher's secret love child as some kind of opportunity.... a three-for-the-price-of-one deal in the trading of souls.

[Freeper]

Hey DUmmies as Stinky the Clown said about guns, we are only curtailing your hobby, by restricting abortion.

Every argument you goons used about us coming after contraception is the same arguments about how your little magazine limit and ban scary looking rifles laws are all an effort to ban guns totally.

The difference is, no one is saying that banning actions before conception should be done. Some churches urge their women no to use them for religious reasons, a lot of us say that you can buy your own birth control.

The only thing we want illegal is killing the unborn because the condom or the pill didn't work, or you wanted a boy not a girl. I don't even think the most pro life person would be against terminating for an actual medical reason, we may not like that option, but sometimes in life there are bad things that must happen.

The fact that you goons are willing to allow us to make the womb least safe place in the country is a damn shame. You really need to do some soul searching if you think abortion is a good thing and should be celebrated. 

Maybe we can steal a page from the left's book, and not call it restricting abortions or abortion control, but abortion safety, if it can save at least one life it is worth it.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

I'm not against sterilization.  It's a good alternative to baby killing for those who aren't bright enough to understand where babies come from.

[JohnnyReb]

I'm not against sterilization.  It's a good alternative to baby killing for those who aren't bright enough to understand where babies come from.

Simple solution: open season on storks.....or would that be DUmmie dorks....awh hell..... why not both.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

You'd be wrong here, earthbill.

If I wanted liberals dead, I'd support abortion.
If I wanted liberals dead, I'd support homosexuality.
If I wanted liberals dead, I'd support Obamacare.
If I wanted liberals dead, I wouldn't care what kind of illegal drugs they were on.
If I wanted liberals dead (and cause them maximum pain I the process), I'd be on board with raising taxes on the job creators, raising minimum wages (causing employers to cut loose the hamburger flippers with degrees in 18th century lesbian studies).

If I wanted liberals dead, I'd just give them what they wanted.

[Freeper]

If I wanted liberals dead, I'd support abortion.
If I wanted liberals dead, I'd support homosexuality.
If I wanted liberals dead, I'd support Obamacare.
If I wanted liberals dead, I wouldn't care what kind of illegal drugs they were on.
If I wanted liberals dead (and cause them maximum pain I the process), I'd be on board with raising taxes on the job creators, raising minimum wages (causing employers to cut loose the hamburger flippers with degrees in 18th century lesbian studies).

If I wanted liberals dead, I'd just give them what they wanted.

Damn man, you just tempted me to start supporting liberal causes. Yeah it will be painful having to go through their foolish policies for us too, but when all the DUmmies have died off, mostly from killing each other for scraps of food and EBT cards we will outnumber them greatly and can take our country back. 

[jtyangel]

I have never seen a group of people so full of their own misconceptions if how things really are then what I see in that thread. I really can't say anything else. It truly is mind boggling to read that assortment of flat out stupid Christaphobes.

[Celtic Rose]

The idea that being anti-abortion means that we think women should die when they have an ectopic pregnancy is absolute idiocy. 

I do think doctors need to communicate better about how abortifacient birth control methods actually do work.  Women should be given complete information so that they can make an informed decision.  I've yet to meet somebody who wants to outlaw any birth control method, not wanting to be forced to pay for it is not the same things as wanting to outlaw it.

[USA4ME]

Rozlee

But, these dingbats would swear that life is so precious, that even a few minutes or hours of it were a gift from God that shouldn't be taken away.

It is. You'll get to contemplate that truth forever while being very, very uncomfortable.

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