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Offline Tess Anderson

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DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« on: January 13, 2013, 08:37:34 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022184785

It's not the "police's job"?

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 RB TexLa (15,976 posts)

All this crap about protection. My guns are in no way here to protect you.
It's not my (or the police's job) to use a gun to protect anyone else. If someone is not threatening the life of the few people I care about I would not try to do anything with a gun to them.

It's selfish on my part but no way I would ever go through the horror of having to shoot a person for someone else's life. 3   
 
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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2013, 08:53:54 PM »
No ma'am the police have no true duty to protect you. The DUmmie has that much right.

The other part is the difference between a liberal and a conservative. I would use deadly force if necessary to save the life of another.

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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2013, 08:57:01 PM »
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 RB TexLa (15,976 posts)

All this crap about protection. My guns are in no way here to protect you.
It's not my (or the police's job) to use a gun to protect anyone else. If someone is not threatening the life of the few people I care about I would not try to do anything with a gun to them.

It's selfish on my part but no way I would ever go through the horror of having to shoot a person for someone else's life.    
So. You would not shoot the Newton shooter to save all those children. Better that children die lest you dirty your hands.
The mark of a liberal is the mark of a coward.
and DUmmies wonder why we despise them.

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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2013, 09:03:52 PM »
RB is the stupidest DUmbass there is since Beth left.

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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2013, 09:10:59 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022184785

It's not the "police's job"?
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Tess,

RBTexLA, while he is a DUmmy, is correct. It's not the police's job to use deadly force to protect individual citizens. Cops carry guns to protect themselves and to enforce the law. The US Supreme Court first made that determination in 1856 (South v. Maryland), and has come to the same conclusion several times since. No citizen has ever won a Supreme Court case based on a general duty of the government to protect a citizen.

A lawfully armed citizen must be very careful how he uses deadly force. I will protect myself and the people I care about, but not the public at large. It may sound callous, but it is the most reasonable way. Anytime a citizen uses a firearm in self-defense, he will be arrested. The expense of a legal defense is part of my expectation if I defend myself or the people I care about. Strangers- not so much.

If I can retreat, I will. If I must fight, it will be a gunfight.
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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2013, 09:18:08 PM »
I would never be dependent on a DUmmy for protection in the first place.
I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2013, 09:20:55 PM »
It takes great humility to admit you were born to be ruled by others.
According to the Bible, "know" means "yes."

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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2013, 09:21:32 PM »
I would never be dependent on a DUmmy for protection in the first place.

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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2013, 11:10:07 PM »
So. You would not shoot the Newton shooter to save all those children. Better that children die lest you dirty your hands.
The mark of a liberal is the mark of a coward.
and DUmmies wonder why we despise them.

The DUmmy is showing his belly: "no way I would ever go through the horror of having to shoot a person for someone else's life", but Newtown is not a good example.

Here is the reality of that situation: The shooter was inside the school. If you were in the school, you were unarmed. It is against the law to carry a gun in a school. You were not able to shoot anybody and stop a tragedy.

If you were outside the school, you were driving by or sitting in the parking lot in your car when you heard the first shots. If you called 911, the dispatcher told you to stay back. If you didn't call 911, nobody knows you are on the scene.

At this point, you do not know the tactical situation-layout of the building, number, location, weapons of the bad guy(s). You have no backup, no communication with arriving law enforcement, and no body armor. You are in civilian clothes, inside an active shooter situation, and you have a gun in your hand. It is most likely that neither the school staff nor the police will recognize you. You look an awful lot like "Gunman #2" at this point.

You don't know if the bad guy(s) have an accomplice watching the parking lot to shoot anyone who responds. You don't know if a bad guy is watching you from inside the school, ready to shoot you as you move toward the building.

If you make entry to the school, you will most likely do so through the front door, which is where the gunman also entered, and already killed the principal in the first room inside that doorway. You don't know if he booby-trapped the front door. The gunman/gunmen has the advantage of cover and concealment, and may be covering the doorway as you enter the "fatal funnel" with no idea what is inside.

Assuming you are not killed in the entry, you are now inside the school. You have no idea where the bad guys are. You see bodies, blood and broken glass, and hear shots and screams. Since you are not in the habit of making entry into active shooter scenes while the shooting is in progress, you are distracted and disoriented. The adrenaline dump causes you to lose fine muscle coordination and develop tunnel vision. The bad guy is somewhere ahead of you, in a building with dozens of rooms, closets, stairwells, and restrooms. You may not see him, and you may not be able to hit him if you shoot.

The police are coming, outside. You and the shooter(s) are inside. The police don't know what you look like. You suddenly realize that you are in a very bad place, and you haven't even seen a shooter yet. Now you have something else to think about- the police killing you by mistake.

If you do see a shooter, he has three major advantages over you: He has already killed, so he lost the inhibition to pull the trigger (which you may not have lost, if it's your first shooting); he is riding the high of executing his plan as he fantasized about it; and his end game results in his death, so he won't be afraid of you. He also still has a tactical advantage. He treats everyone  as a target. You don't know if he's alone, and must try to distinguish threats from victims/hostages. 

How much ammo do you carry? Enough for a gunfight with multiple bad guys, or one bad guy with a tactical advantage? What about the schoolkids? You are responsible for every round you fire. Are you able to gunfight with the bad guy(s) and not hit any innocent children or staff members? If you accidentally kill a child, can you live with that? If the bad guy shoots at you but kills a child, can you live with that?

Assuming that you shoot and kill the gunman without being shot, what comes next? You still don't know how many shooters there are or where they are. How will you surrender to the police without getting shot?

Now, let's say that you surrender without being shot by the police. The police will arrest you. You will probably lose your house and savings paying the lawyer to defend you- even if your case never moves beyond the grand jury.

And this entire scenario did not include you being shot and wounded, unable to work, with hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills, or permanently disabled.  Check the "exclusions" on your health and disability insurance, and see if "deliberate acts" or "terrorism" are excluded. If the shooting is declared an act of domestic terrorism, you may lose coverage.

So, the visceral desire to shoot the Newtown shooter really won't work. But the DUmmy is still a coward.
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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2013, 07:57:44 AM »
That's a healthy dose of reality, Big Dog. 

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3. I don't protect innocents with you. nt


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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2013, 09:43:17 AM »
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RB TexLa (15,976 posts)

All this crap about protection. My guns are in no way here to protect you.
It's not my (or the police's job) to use a gun to protect anyone else. If someone is not threatening the life of the few people I care about I would not try to do anything with a gun to them.

It's selfish on my part but no way I would ever go through the horror of having to shoot a person for someone else's life.     

Yeah, DUmmie, we know - it's all about you...



I guess I'm just weird or maybe 22 years of active duty placed an indelible stamp on my psyche - if the Threat Triangle has all 3 sides, it would go against everything in my soul not to drop a shooter.  Big Dog is 110% correct in everything he says, and it all boils down to doing everything to prevent taking a shot.  Something, I think, everyone needs to consider before they strap up and leave the house.
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Re: DUmmy "RB TexLa": "My guns are in no way here to protect you."
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2013, 10:42:58 AM »
RB is the stupidest DUmbass there is since Beth left.

Also one of the most wierd in terms of relating to other(?) human beings...

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Why would the phrase "I don't drink with you" upset someone?

At a party with my wife's co-workers one woman kept asking me if I wanted a drink. I told her no thank you each time, after several offers she asked why I didn't want a drink and I said "I don't drink with you." I was there to accompany my wife to a party with her co-workers, it was not appropriate for me to consume their food and beverages.

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