Thoughts on gender motivated abortions?

[Freeper]

You know this thread is going to be puke worthy.

TXDem72 (33 posts)

Thoughts on gender motivated abortions?


 
In cases of gender motivated abortions, of course, there is the micro issue of preserving the life of the fetus versus reproductive rights. However, there is also the macro issue of artificially distorting gender ratios in societies, which can potentially cause a whole host of problems.

I would like to solicit views on this topic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022163010

This brings to my mind a new question. If the unborn baby is just a clump of cells then how is it that clump of cells can have a gender before birth? Is not gender confined to living creatures? I mean actual gender I realize that most languages assign gender to objects, but that doesn't count.

yellerpup (10,466 posts)
3. None of my business.

I think it's a dangerous road to take in the macro sense, but it's up to the woman.

Yet it's your business what kind of gun I have and how many rounds I can put in a magazine, when I have never killed a human being with any gun, yet the abortion kills a human and that is just fine with you.

Liberal_in_LA (27,360 posts)
5. it's too bad women/girls aren't valued. Blocking their access to abortions doesn't help anything.

It's even sadder that the unborn are not valued and thought of as property of the woman that will live or die depending on the mood of the "mother".

eltopomaravilloso (9 posts)
6. An abortion is a woman's right.


And that can never be questioned or abridged, so although it sounds mean to me, they have to be allowed.

I love how abortion is an absolute right yet an actual right like owning guns should be questioned or abridged at the whim of the left.

MrSlayer (20,222 posts)
7. That's a shitty reason to have an abortion.

Intentionally getting pregnant and then terminating it for no other reason than gender is not why abortion is tolerated in society.

Her body, her choice. But what an ugly, selfish choice that is. It's pretty disgusting.

Why would that be any different than any other abortion? After all a clump of cells is a clump of cells right?

CTyankee (32,565 posts)
9. Well, we really don't know why women make the decisions they make...

even if we ask, a woman might just not tell you the real reason, if gender selection was that reason. Or they might think they can't handle another child. Or they need to finish a college degree. Or any of a number of reasons that we may not "approve" of.

Bottom line: women are moral agents and can make these decisions themselves.

A moral person will not have an abortion.

TexasBushwhacker (2,749 posts)
26. There are reasons someone might prefer one gender over another

Most people want boys and girls. A family that's had nothing but boys might want a girl and only a girl. A family that has a sex linked disease like hemophilia or certain kinds of muscular dystrophy may only want to have girls. I realize that most cultures prefer boys over girls,but there are reasons families might chose girls over boys.

So we kill them until we get the "perfect" one. 

Warpy (66,418 posts)
27. It's up to the woman to decide whether or not to risk her life

going through with any pregnancy, whether or not you approve of her or her reasons.
Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all. - John Maynard Keynes
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Response to Warpy (Reply #27)Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:38 PM
 MrSlayer (20,222 posts)
32. But that's the point.

It isn't because her life is at risk. It's merely because she's unhappy with the gender. It's a shitty reason to have an abortion. Selfish and really quite gross.

However, I did twice say that it's the woman's choice.
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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #32)Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:24 PM
 Warpy (66,418 posts)
40. It's obvious you're male

or you'd know that every pregnancy is life threatening.

Being in the womb of a DUmmy is the most life threatening position that any person could ever be in.

msanthrope (14,531 posts)
15. Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt

Terra Alta (3,170 posts)
17. her body, her choice.

Yes, aborting a fetus because they're the wrong sex may not be the best reason to abort, but it's still the woman's body and she can do as she chooses. There are even instances where a gender motivated abortion might be recommended, if for instance either parent has a gene that can cause a disorder that only affects one gender, I can see why such an abortion would be needed.

 

LiberalEsto (15,371 posts)
38. Wrong unless for medical reasons like hemophilia

Abortion should be rare, safe and legal.

No such thing as a safe abortion, someone is going to die everytime.

I really hate these so called people their attitude towards abortion is an abomination.

[Carl]

Admit it scrunts...abortion is nothing more to you sadistic cretins then a self absorbed feeling of power you can wield so as to feel "equal" in your miserable lives.

[thundley4]

Shit like this almost makes me wish that they would find a "gay gene" and tests for it while in the uterus. 

[BEG]

Liberal_in_LA (27,360 posts)
5. it's too bad women/girls aren't valued. Blocking their access to abortions doesn't help anything.

Yeah, like in China.

[thundley4]

Yeah, like in China.

China's next war will be a conquest seeking women for all the males in their country.

[BlueStateSaint]

China's next war will be a conquest seeking women for all the males in their country.

Against every country in the region, to include India, Russia, Thailand, Vietnam, and so on.  They'll also go after Russia for the resources in Siberia.

[Aristotelian]

They wouldn't know morality if it hit them round the head with an iron girder...but here they add utter intellectual disingenuity to the mix - it is anti-women to suggest that little girls shouldn't be killed for the 'offence' of being girls rather than boys.

[LC EFA]

Shit like this almost makes me wish that they would find a "gay gene" and tests for it while in the uterus. 

The moral gymnastics that we'd see from the left should it turn out that there really is a "gay gene" and that it can be tested for , would be freaking hilarious.

[MrsSmith]

They admit over and over that the child must be more than "a lump" since "it" is either male or female, yet remain completely blind to the obvious fact that "it" must therefore be a child, and can't be anything else (like the tumor they love to equate with him or her.)   Even after years of exposure, their ability to dodge reason amazes me.

[DumbAss Tanker]

China's next war will be a conquest seeking women for all the males in their country.

Thing is, the demographics of it create a narrow window for that, since it inevitably leads to a population crash that renders warfare less and less viable as an option to fix it after the young male population peaks.  The only other way out is opening up migration to bring in available women who are stuck with low prospects in their own land, like the mail-order bride business in frontier America.

Either from a point of view of moral hazard or scientific-minded evolutionists, it's a horrible idea, albeit for somewhat different reasons.  However once you have abortion on demand with no cause required, it's an inescapable consequence.

[GOBUCKS]

China's next war will be a conquest seeking women for all the males in their country.

Mars already did that. I saw the movie.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Mars already did that. I saw the movie.

It would've turned out better for them if they'd tried to work out a deal with the Queen of Outer Space instead of going after our chicks.

[thundley4]

Thing is, the demographics of it create a narrow window for that, since it inevitably leads to a population crash that renders warfare less and less viable as an option to fix it after the young male population peaks.  The only other way out is opening up migration to bring in available women who are stuck with low prospects in their own land, like the mail-order bride business in frontier America.

Either from a point of view of moral hazard or scientific-minded evolutionists, it's a horrible idea, albeit for somewhat different reasons.  However once you have abortion on demand with no cause required, it's an inescapable consequence.

China's basic problem is overpopulation which brought them to the one child policy, which led to more girls being aborted and having too many males.  Bringing in more women would only increase their population more than the natural birthrate would have.

Maybe they could outlaw abortion for gender selection?

[Gina]

It is really disheartening to hear them talk about a person's life the way they do.  The baby is a person.  It will be what they are but probably a better version.  I feel so sad when I hear them say things like "it's none of my business". yes it is! it's a life damnit! 

[MrsSmith]

It is really disheartening to hear them talk about a person's life the way they do.  The baby is a person.  It will be what they are but probably a better version.  I feel so sad when I hear them say things like "it's none of my business". yes it is! it's a life damnit! 

Just like turning away while a neighbor beats a toddler to death.  Of course, they'd probably do that, too.  Less competition for resources that way... 

[Teri]

Just ask any liberal what sets the precedent for their morality and you'll understand why they support Godless agenda's.  I asked that question in a liberal forum once and it took them over 1500 replies that included everything from Sitchen's, Darwin's and freaked out evolutionist belief under the sun and at the end of the discussion...they still didn't have a clue because they don't believe in Godly morality, only their own man made up morality that consists of "whatever feels right is right".

Which brings me back to a time when I asked a Dr. who was a "behavioral specialist" regarding a brain damaged person that I cared for...  He said..."don't even question why they say and do what they do because their brains aren't firing right and it has no logical rhyme or reason to it..."

[DumbAss Tanker]

China's basic problem is overpopulation which brought them to the one child policy, which led to more girls being aborted and having too many males.  Bringing in more women would only increase their population more than the natural birthrate would have.

Maybe they could outlaw abortion for gender selection?

Times change and the demands of biology can't be ignored forever.  They'll ultimately either have to bring in some women by one means or another, or have the destabilizing influence of an increasingly-large number of unsettled men on their hands.