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Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« on: November 25, 2012, 08:43:45 AM »
This OP is not being reposted exactly as it appears. I've broken it up and switched it around the order of appearance in which the different quotations are presented but not one tittle or jot has been altered.

So, the thread starts out like this:

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MrScorpio (52,454 posts)

My wife and I moved into a new place last week

Last edited Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:41 AM USA/ET - Edit history (3)

 The place is newer and the rent is cheaper, so it's all good, plus she's happy with the new digs. If MrsScorpio is happy then I'm happy. You all know how it is. We're still in the process of settling in… There really is nothing more than I hate than packing and unpacking, but it's all part of the deal when you move.

[edited out to be presented in just a moment --Sgt SB] Friends and family helped with the big stuff, but especially with my back issues, I'm still recovering as we speak.
 
With all that's happened I've had a few observations that I'd like to share. In the last few years we bought some inexpensive Chinese furniture. Well, a lot that shit was so flimsy that it didn't survive the move. I actually tore the broken pieces down by hand and left them in boxes for garbage pickup, while the 20+ year old American made stuff that we bought right after we got married made it. A few nicks and scratches as it were, but intact.
 
I filed that fact in the back of mind just in time to see something on PBS that connected some dots for me. Hopefully you've all had the chance to see that episode of Frontline on childhood poverty in around the Illinois/Iowa border region.
 
Many of the people living there fell into poverty when during the last ten years when jobs and factories packed up and were moved overseas to places like China, where my cheaply made furniture was manufactured. Good paying jobs lost by Americans doing high quality work, making things that last. Those jobs afforded local investment, tax revenues, stronger communities of people who paid their mortgages and car notes for new cars.
 
Instead, vulture capitalists sent those jobs away. Now they're obscenely rich from destroying American livelihoods, causing the deterioration of America communities, all while exploiting cheap labor outside of America.

Interesting.

So, if I understand Mr. S. Corpulent correctly: the fact that manufacturers shipped jobs overseas makes them vulture capitalists. There is no mention of his own culpability -- HE BOUGHT THE SHIT HE SAYS IS SHIT -- just a moral flaying of the guy who was smart enough to sell the Corpulent family the furniture they selected and purchased.

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But that's not the only thing: There's the aftermath of Sandy, which exposes the raw nerve of our antiquated infrastructure. We have a power grid that's falling apart and expensive to maintain, we're not investing in modern technology, as is Western Europe.
 
All of this speaks to this countries failure to make proper priorities. Much of that power grid that I spoke of before is in decline by design. Not enough skilled workers are hired to even maintain the system in good times, much less to recover from a major disaster like Sandy. Where Europe is investing heavily in new wind and solar systems, we're still relying mainly on fossil fuel powered plants. We should be training and hiring more energy workers, building and installing wind, solar and geo-thermal systems, investing in renewable energy sources, modernizing and burying power lines.
 
We should be upgrading our entire telecom systems. Since I've been here in my new place, I couldn't help but notice the frequent outages while we've been having some bad weather this week. Internet speeds in the US pale behind higher and more reliable service in Asian and European countries.

We need to invest in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. So many bridges, roads, sewer systems, water treatment plants, levies, dams and canals that are in need of attention.
 
What much is apparent is that quality of life in America is regressing. Americans need to take back their lives from the corporations that are destroying our livelihoods with cheap, foreign made goods, the destruction of good paying American jobs, the selling off and speculation of public resources and general divestiture in America.

Well...

First, it was a disaster. Disasters destroy things despite our preparations and efforts to the contrary.

That's what makes them disasters.

Secondly, maybe if y'all had accepted non-union help instead of playing politics...

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The frontline of the fight right now is on the picket line walked by Walmart employees, who are rejecting the way that that corporation treats its workers as if they're wage slaves. Earlier this month, America rejected a vulture capitalist who wanted to treat the entire country as he did one of his own companies that he outsourced to place like China, the country in which my cheap and flimsy furniture was made.
 
We need to put money back into this country. That means fixing the tax code which has facilitated the loss of jobs and the overwhelming upward redistribution of wealth that has destroyed working class families. We need to get back to building higher quality of goods, that we used to build in the past, instead of flooding our own market with stuff that falls apart. We need to put good money into America itself, instead of standing idly by while it crumbles under our feet and over our heads.
 
We need to reduce the size of our military. Clearly the greatest threat against us is not from foreign sources, but our own lack of action at home, our willingness to sacrifice American workers for cheap labor, our lop-sided upward distribution of wealth, our unwillingness to address poverty and penchant for doing things on the cheap.
 
We spend billions on "security" and "defense" against hypothetical attackers while things are falling apart from neglect.
 
We need to turn things around, people. If we don't, there won't be an America to hand down to our successors. All there will be are broken pieces that were made by foreign workers overseas.

In other words: spend money here and now, costs be damned.

Does anyone dispute that is what he is saying whether or not he's actually correct in practical terms?

Anyone?

Because here is the section I excised:

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I called Two Men and a Truck and they quoted me a price that was over two hundred dollars more than the bottom line of renting a UHaul truck and doing it myself. Friends and family helped

Less economic activity. Less employment. Fewer taxes paid. No health care provided. No social safety net funded.

Just so he can have a better apartment in his "I-got-mine-g-****-yourself" consumerist greed.

By his own admissions, Mr S. Corpulent hates America and its workers.

And every unaware, uncritical, unthinking respondent licks it off their chin.

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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2012, 08:56:36 AM »

A DUer who is a hypocritical, selfish, self-righteous little piece of shit, who can't handle his own household economy competently but is dying to tell you how to run yours, and our Nation's?

Imagine that...

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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 09:09:11 AM »
N.C. once had a thriving furniture manufacturing industry.....but DUmmies bought cheap shit from China and it went to.......well, along with textiles, they both went to hell in a hand basket made in china.
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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 09:13:44 AM »
I get all my financial advice from renters.  I do the opposite from what they do.

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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2012, 09:19:21 AM »
I get all my financial advice from renters.  I do the opposite from what they do.
If you got it from the primitives, and did the opposite, you'd be very wealthy.  :-)
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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2012, 11:05:19 AM »
N.C. once had a thriving furniture manufacturing industry.....but DUmmies bought cheap shit from China and it went to.......well, along with textiles, they both went to hell in a hand basket made in china.

Another place that kalifornia led the pack of stupid. Kalifornia used to (may still) led the nation in growing cotton. Naturally we had more textile milling production than any country in the world. Well in the late 90s the state EPA board said all of the factories had to be upgraded to meet new regulations that politicians and environmentals wanted. Now the greedy SOB that owned and managed the textile factories asked for a reasonable amount of time to meet the regulations. Well, the politicians and environmentals said NO and would not give an inch in time much less the regulation bar. So in 2000 every major textile factory was shuttered due to the regulations. Every major factory moved. Not a single one stayed in kalifornia. most went to china but others went to Haiti, the DR, and other places that actually wanted jobs and economic activity. Like so many thriving economic streams, kalifornia cut that one off.

Bottom line lurking DUchebags is that it is leftist policies that FORCE owners and managers to relocate entire industries to more friendly business climates. A business man now spends the largest part of his time fighting against the government and not selling, producing, shipping their products. Industry cannot be competitive in these situations. If anyone thinks that the biggest set of government regulations in world history, the cACA bill, will not drive business and industry out of the country they need to get a grip on reality.
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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 08:48:36 PM »
Another place that kalifornia led the pack of stupid. Kalifornia used to (may still) led the nation in growing cotton. Naturally we had more textile milling production than any country in the world. Well in the late 90s the state EPA board said all of the factories had to be upgraded to meet new regulations that politicians and environmentals wanted. Now the greedy SOB that owned and managed the textile factories asked for a reasonable amount of time to meet the regulations. Well, the politicians and environmentals said NO and would not give an inch in time much less the regulation bar. So in 2000 every major textile factory was shuttered due to the regulations. Every major factory moved. Not a single one stayed in kalifornia. most went to china but others went to Haiti, the DR, and other places that actually wanted jobs and economic activity. Like so many thriving economic streams, kalifornia cut that one off.

Bottom line lurking DUchebags is that it is leftist policies that FORCE owners and managers to relocate entire industries to more friendly business climates. A business man now spends the largest part of his time fighting against the government and not selling, producing, shipping their products. Industry cannot be competitive in these situations. If anyone thinks that the biggest set of government regulations in world history, the cACA bill, will not drive business and industry out of the country they need to get a grip on reality.

We got the same problem here in West by God Virginia. Except it is the tree huggers that sue mining companies in bankruptcy.  :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2012, 09:50:16 PM »
A DUer who is a hypocritical, selfish, self-righteous little piece of shit, who can't handle his own household economy competently but is dying to tell you how to run yours, and our Nation's?

Imagine that...

Not to mention moving from apartment to apartment to apartment to....what is this like three times in the last two years for Mr. DU badasswithabadback?
              

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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2012, 10:00:00 PM »
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Europe is investing heavily in new wind and solar systems,

How well will wind generator towers and solar panel arrays stand up to hurricanes?  How well would a nuclear power plant stand up to those same storms? 

BTW,  the power isn't out because of problems on the generating end, it's the lines going to the neighborhoods.

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2012, 10:00:53 PM »
Let me know how that works out under another winter blizzard while Britons freeze to death to appease the greenie assholes in their government.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2012, 07:55:48 AM »
How well would a nuclear power plant stand up to those same storms? 

BTW,  the power isn't out because of problems on the generating end, it's the lines going to the neighborhoods.

Pretty well from what I've seen.  Yeah, when the power goes out during ice storms, etc., it's not because the plants took a dump.
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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2012, 08:01:49 AM »
The green renewable energy source.......wood.

In winter you burn it to stay warm and in summer you sit under it and fan yourself with a fan made from paper.
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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2012, 08:18:14 AM »
The green renewable energy source.......wood.

In winter you burn it to stay warm and in summer you sit under it and fan yourself with a fan made from paper.

I could be misremembering, and it isn't important enough to nadin it, but I believe the guy who invented mechanical refrigeration ran the pump with power from a steam engine.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2012, 08:21:28 AM »
I could be misremembering, and it isn't important enough to nadin it, but I believe the guy who invented mechanical refrigeration ran the pump with power from a steam engine.

I think you're right and I'm going to go with faded memory and say....I think it was doctor in Florida that used air conditioning to treat patients with high fevers. I think it was the early 1800's.....1820 or so.
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Re: Mr. S. Corpulent: economic traitor, vulture consumerist
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2012, 08:37:18 AM »
The boy primitive is certainly interested in the gov't spending a lot of money where he can benefit but doesn't contribute much, if anything at all, to it.  He needs to suffer some more for the good of others.

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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2012, 09:19:33 AM »
So basically, it would have only cost a couple hundred dollars to avoid inconveniencing his friends and "hurting" his back, but that price is unreasonable because it is more expensive than doing it himself.  Okay  ::)

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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2012, 10:39:30 AM »
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Instead, vulture capitalists sent those jobs away. Now they're obscenely rich from destroying American livelihoods, causing the deterioration of America communities, all while exploiting cheap labor outside of America.

I prefer American made furniture too.  A quality piece is like a work of art and takes a great deal of craftsmanship.  A good furniture maker probably gets about  100+ an hour, as his craft is not only art but a labor of love.  All the precise cutting, fitting. glueing, sanding and finishing takes hours. 

You have to use high quality wood too.  A good hardwood like oak or maple costs a lot to have milled, especially these days with all the green requirements and regulations.  We don't want those evil vulture capitalist loggers cutting down forests for obscene profits and ruining the landscape or disturbing the wildlife either.

Then there is the overhead.  You know the costs of running the company.  Like the building and liability insurance is very expensive having employees working around dangerous saw blades going 3500 rpms.  Those expensive cnc machines use a lot of power too.  Making a piece of furniture these days must cost upwards of ????? an hour when you factor in the labor, material and overhead.   

Or, I guess you can buy something cheaper from China, but the quality just isn't the same.
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