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Offline franksolich

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primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« on: November 09, 2012, 06:11:48 PM »
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Suich (8,397 posts)    Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:06 PM

Carbon monoxide detector

I have a 5 year old boiler and hot water radiators. Do I need carbon monoxide detectors all over my house?

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Hassin Bin Sober (7,255 posts)    Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:44 PM

1. Better safe than sorry.

Even though you appear to have newer equipment, a flue can fail or clog causing carbon monoxide to back up in the house.

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Warpy (65,409 posts)    Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:37 AM

2. It wouldn't hurt.

I need to replace mine. I have a 66 year old floor furnace, original to the house.

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jeff47 (5,096 posts)      Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:17 AM
 
3. Doesn't have to be all over your house.

First, you probably want one near the boiler, especially if it's the only thing in your house that regularly has a flame (Electric stove, dryer, etc).

Beyond that, the general recommendation is one per floor. They don't have to be on the ceiling like smoke detectors.

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Jersey Devil (7,174 posts)    Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:24 PM

5. Glad I had them during Sandy

I setup a generator outside my garage and with the wind blowing toward the house the gen exhaust set off the CO alarm I have at the basement (street level in my house). I moved the gen further away from the house (from about 6 feet to about 20 feet and aired out the basement and it stopped). I don't know at what level the CO was but if it seeped into the living areas of my house it could have killed us. There was no odor of exhaust and nothing that you could notice.
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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2012, 04:46:41 AM »
If you wake up dead.....you might need a carbon monoxide detector.
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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2012, 11:55:13 AM »
I just keep a caged canary in each room.

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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2012, 12:05:23 PM »
I just keep a caged canary DUmmy in each room.

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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2012, 12:53:56 PM »


Not funny, a family of 5-6 moved into a new home to be all put to sleep permentally by a malfuncturing furnence.  Sad they had not had time to bring in he canerey.

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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2012, 12:55:53 PM »
Not funny, a family of 5-6 moved into a new home to be all put to sleep permentally by a malfuncturing furnence.  Sad they had not had time to bring in he canerey.

I'm sorry they died, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote. If you don't like it, then give me a bitchslap.

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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2012, 01:53:11 PM »
What's a "canerey"?

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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2012, 02:05:49 PM »
And at 2am one of my smoke alarm / COs went off this morning. I was none to happy to find that when I had all new hard wired detectors installed ( per code 3 combo and 3 smoke ) one of the old stand alone battery operated units had been left behind and its battery needed to be replaced.  Of course I didn't figure that out until I had checked all the new units. (Which would have all gone off at once but that is another story for another day.)  :thatsright:

The good news is that it woke me up and there was no fire / carbon monoxide problem.   :yahoo:
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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2012, 02:19:35 PM »
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Jersey Devil (7,174 posts)    Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:24 PM

5. Glad I had them during Sandy

I setup a generator outside my garage and with the wind blowing toward the house the gen exhaust set off the CO alarm I have at the basement (street level in my house). I moved the gen further away from the house (from about 6 feet to about 20 feet and aired out the basement and it stopped). I don't know at what level the CO was but if it seeped into the living areas of my house it could have killed us. There was no odor of exhaust and nothing that you could notice.


It's colorless & odorless...

Many states have laws that require the detectors and where to place them.



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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2012, 02:35:33 PM »
Why not just solve the problem the liberal way? Petition your gubmint to pass a law telling you how many you need and how to place CO detectors. Hire a ton of inspectors, and overpay them, to come into your home every year to hold your hand and enforce compliance. Scofflaws that reject more nanny-staism, have an ounce of common sense, maintain their fossil fueled appliances, and decide they don't need another detector hanging on the wall get fined heavily.

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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2012, 03:09:45 PM »
Why not just solve the problem the liberal way? Petition your gubmint to pass a law telling you how many you need and how to place CO detectors. Hire a ton of inspectors, and overpay them, to come into your home every year to hold your hand and enforce compliance. Scofflaws that reject more nanny-staism, have an ounce of common sense, maintain their fossil fueled appliances, and decide they don't need another detector hanging on the wall get fined heavily.

Regulate
Regulate
Regulate

I didn't replace perfectly good detectors because I had the extra money to burn.  Here in my little piece of Blue Heaven we have such a law, when you remodel you have to upgrade to the latest code unless you do it all yourself.  Now here is the thing, if you do your own electric and don't know what you are doing you will likely need the damn things more than the guy who hires a competent electrician (who is required by law to put them in).   Sort of a catch 22 if you will.   There are stupid people in this world as we have just seen by the past election.  

Was I unhappy to have to upgrade my system?  Yes.  What I had was adequate but not everyone puts the care and attention into such things as I do.  Is it better for them ( the stupid people)  to be forced to do this?  Probably.  I look at this one as loss of liberty versus loss of life.  Could I live with a few less stupid people?  Sure, who couldn't, but does that mean we should just sit by?  My Christian upbringing says no, some things are necessary for the common good.  Health and safety of imbeciles is one. 
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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2012, 03:52:22 PM »
Ahh, the if it just saves one life reasoning. A slippery slope, my friend, when you consider the intent of those behind pushing these types of laws- it's almost always nanny-state liberals. I don't agree that we should be going further down the slope of governing and passing laws to dumbest common denominator that also stick the majority with having to bear the cost and hassle because of their stupidity.

If you own a house it's your responsibility to know what is going on with it and to maintain it. If you have a fossil fuel burning appliance you need to check on it from time-to-time as they are the source of potentially emitting CO into a house. Don't know what you're looking at then hire someone that does(furnace mfg's recommend yearly service). Aside from dummies that run their gasoline generators or fire up their charcoal grill in the house, every single case of CO poisoning I'm aware of is because of poor maintenance causing a dirty burning flame that could have been addressed by cleaning the burner and adjusting it properly.

That also begs the question, if we're gonna have gov't step in to save people from their own stupidity, why not go straight to the source and dictate people have their appliances cleaned and serviced annually? Can't the nanny-staters get anything right? Who cares what it costs, or the hassle, or the intrusion- we're talking lives here, and doing that will save far more than a wimpy CO detector.



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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2012, 03:56:02 PM »
Ahh, the if it just saves one life reasoning. A slippery slope, my friend, when you consider the intent of those behind pushing these types of laws- it's almost always nanny-state liberals. I don't agree that we should be going further down the slope of governing and passing laws to dumbest common denominator that also stick the majority with having to bear the cost and hassle because of their stupidity.

If you own a house it's your responsibility to know what is going on with it and to maintain it. If you have a fossil fuel burning appliance you need to check on it from time-to-time as they are the source of potentially emitting CO into a house. Don't know what you're looking at then hire someone that does(furnace mfg's recommend yearly service). Every single case of CO poisoning I'm aware of is because of poor maintenance causing dirty burning flame that could have been addressed by cleaning the burner and adjusting it properly.

That also begs the question, if we're gonna have gov't step in to save people from their own stupidity, why not go straight to the source and dictate people have their appliances cleaned and serviced annually? Can't the nanny-staters get anything right? Who cares about the cost because that will save way more lives than a wimpy CO detector.





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Re: primitives discuss carbon monoxide detectors
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 01:52:40 AM »
I didn't replace perfectly good detectors because I had the extra money to burn.  Here in my little piece of Blue Heaven we have such a law, when you remodel you have to upgrade to the latest code unless you do it all yourself.  Now here is the thing, if you do your own electric and don't know what you are doing you will likely need the damn things more than the guy who hires a competent electrician (who is required by law to put them in).   Sort of a catch 22 if you will.   There are stupid people in this world as we have just seen by the past election.  

Was I unhappy to have to upgrade my system?  Yes.  What I had was adequate but not everyone puts the care and attention into such things as I do.  Is it better for them ( the stupid people)  to be forced to do this?  Probably.  I look at this one as loss of liberty versus loss of life.  Could I live with a few less stupid people?  Sure, who couldn't, but does that mean we should just sit by?  My Christian upbringing says no, some things are necessary for the common good.  Health and safety of imbeciles is one.  

I think the detectors are a great idea. Even if adults don't care for the law or think they need to purchase one, at least the children in the home will have a chance at life in case of a CO leak.

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