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OP. trailmonkee (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (1:14 pm)
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(Love it!!) President Obama Looks To Make Mitt Romney Pay In Ohio For Misleading Jeep Ad
President Obama Looks To Make Mitt Romney Pay In Ohio For Misleading Jeep Ad
HILLIARD, Ohio -- President Obama ripped Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Friday for running a misleading TV ad implying that U.S. auto workers are going to lose their jobs because Chrysler is moving the production of Jeeps for Chinese consumers to China.
It's a move by the president to capitalize on what, tactically, appears to have been a strategy by Romney's campaign in Ohio that has backfired. Obama is planning to press the issue all day Friday at three campaign stops in Ohio, including a midday rally in Lima, where there are about 1,600 jobs at a local Ford manufacturing plant.
"Everybody knows it's not true," Obama said of Romney's ad to a crowd in a large barn at the Franklin County Fairgrounds, in the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio, a crucial swing-section of this swing state.
Obama cited reports of auto workers in Ohio calling their employer to ask if their jobs were in jeopardy after seeing Romney's ad. Romney's ad is technically correct -- it says Chrysler is going to build Jeeps in China, which is true -- but it leaves the impression that the creation of jobs in China will cost U.S. auto workers their livelihood. Obama pointed out that Chrysler is in the process of hiring 1,000 new workers for a Jeep plant in Toledo, Ohio.
"I understand that Gov. Romney's had a tough time here in Ohio because he was against saving the auto industry," Obama said. "And it's hard to run away from that position when you're on videotape saying the words, 'Let Detroit go bankrupt.'"
"And I know we're close to an election, but this isn't a game," Obama said. "These are people's jobs. These are people's lives … You don't scare hardworking Americans just to scare up some votes. That's not what being president is all about."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/obama-ohio-romney-jeep_n_2065097.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
5. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (1:43 pm)
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I think they are thinking about moving
The production that was intended for Asian market anyway.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs
"Fiat is in “very detailed conversations†with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009."
9. justiceischeap (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (1:55 pm)
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No, they aren't thinking about moving but nice try
They are considering opening a plant in China to build cars specifically FOR CHINA. This only affects American workers in that instead of building these specific cars in America, they'll be making them in China--hence not creating jobs for these specifically manufactured cars. However, they intend to add another 1K+ jobs in Toledo for American market cars.
11. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:11 pm)
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Ok, where was I wrong?
I simply said that they are thinking about moving the production of vehicles specifically meant for the Asian market to China.
13. yellowcanine (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:17 pm)
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They are not moving anything. It is new production.
If fact, the China factory will likely create additional management jobs in the U.S. to help oversee the China factory.
14. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:30 pm)
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Ok, so does Chrysler sell cars in Asia today?
And if that production of cars that are currently assembled in Detroit moves to China what does that mean?
My point is very simple, currently Chrysler produces cars they intend to sell in the Asian market in Detroit, they are thinking of moving that production to China.
If that is correct how can Detroit production not be affected?
15. yellowcanine (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:39 pm)
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Chrysler has said they are not moving any Jeep production to China.
They are adding Jeep production in China.
And they are increasing Jeep production in the U.S. That is the bottom line. You will have to ask Chrysler how they manage this but apparently there is so much demand for Jeeps that they can add Jeep production in both places. Why speculate when Chrysler is on record about what they plan to do?
17. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:43 pm)
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Yes, they are on the record
“The volume opportunity for us is very significant,†Manley, who is also president of the Jeep brand, said in an interview at Chrysler’s Auburn Hills, Michigan, headquarters. “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity†as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.â€
21. Jeff In Milwaukee (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:55 pm)
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It's an expansion in Asia, you asshat...
There's a substantial difference between shutting down operations in the US and moving to Asia, and increasing facilities in Asia to be close to the market.
18. SomethingFishy (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:48 pm)
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The are not "moving" anything
this is an expansion into Asia. It is not fiscally possible to make cars here and ship them to China and still make a profit. Same reason many Japanese auto companies have factories here.
The problem you seem to be missing is that Romney is telling auto workers that Chrysler is moving their jobs to China. No jobs are being moved and jobs are being added here as well.
The ad is a LIE designed to scare people into voting for Romney. It's transparent and pathetic and stinks of desperation.
20. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:55 pm)
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"It is not fiscally possible to make cars here and ship them to China and still make a profit."
Ok, now that we understand that, if you do not assemble 1 Jeep in the U.S. and that Jeep gets assembled in China does that affect Jeep production in the U.S.?
As far a Rmoney is concerned, I don't believe I have mentioned that at all and I would be thankful if words are not put in my mouth.
24. Jeff In Milwaukee (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:58 pm)
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China is an expanding market...
So expanding production in China is for the purpose of selling Jeeps to the Chinese. These vehicles were NEVER going to be produced in the United States, because shipping them overseas would be cost-prohibitive.
Expanding production in China has no bearing on domestic production.
Romney know that, and so do you. Stop feigning innocence.
29. SomethingFishy (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:00 pm)
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It does not affect Jeep production in the US.
It's a market expansion. According to Chrysler they are ADDING jobs here in the US which means production is going up here.
And you are defending Romney's remarks and ads, so don't sit there and play coy and act like I insulted you.
33. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:06 pm)
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Again
Does Chrysler sell Jeeps in Asia today?
If the answer is no then it is an expansion.
If the answer is yes then they are "localizing" production in order to maximize profit.
I am not defending anyone just pointing out a simple fact.
19. George II (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:51 pm)
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"MOVING" means that they already exist, which they don't. These are NEW jobs in China....
......along with 1100 NEW jobs in the US.
23. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (2:57 pm)
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Interesting
Do you have a link that I could read?
31. Jeff In Milwaukee (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:02 pm)
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Here...
http://blog.chryslergroupllc.com/entry/1950/message_from_sergio_marchionne_regarding__jeep_production
Now will you STFU?
32. SomethingFishy (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:04 pm)
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LINKS WITH AN "S"
USA today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/10/31/mitt-romney-jeep-chrysler-uaw/1672501/
Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum-romneys-false-scare-story-in-ohio/2012/10/26/5f8edbbc-1f58-11e2-ba31-3083ca97c314_blog.html
ABC
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/misleading-romney-ad-on-jeeps-draws-obama-retort/
CBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57542993/gm-like-chrysler-refutes-romneys-auto-industry-ad/
And if you need a Republican source here's business insider:
http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-lies-auto-chrysler-jobs-2012-10
Google is pretty easy to use.
34. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:13 pm)
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Thanks for the links
But this was my take away...
“Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market,†said spokesman Gualberto Ranieri in a blog post Thursday. “U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation.â€
From your provided link
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/misleading-romney-ad-on-jeeps-draws-obama-retort/
If you open a factory in China to produce Jeeps for the Asian market why would you continue to produce them in the U.S.
37. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:34 pm)
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Yes, I suppose I am that dense
"Because manufacturing a vehicle half-way around the globe and then shipping if to another market (when oil is $90/barrel) is cost prohibitive. People in Ohio get that, as there's been a Honda Assembly Plant in Marysville, OH for about thirty years. Jeep is doing the same thing -- manufacturing vehicles closer to the market so they can be competetive with models manufactured in Asia."
And that is what I have been saying, currently Chrysler produces Jeeps that are destined for the Asian market.
They also see that it would be economical to move the production of Jeeps that are aimed at the Asian market closer to that market. That would be China. If the U.S. factories that currently produce Jeeps for the Asian market no longer produce them because that production has been moved, transferred or whatever to China means Jeeps that will no longer be produced in the U.S.
40. Jeff In Milwaukee (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:51 pm)
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Dear God in Heaven...
Chrysler has been building Jeeps for the Chinese market for years. That was temporarily halted during the economic melt-down as demand dwindled and production was consolidated. With sales rebounding in the U.S. and a massive market in China, Jeep is going to return to is previous practice of building Jeeps in China.
From the CEO of Chrysler:
Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.
49. No Vested Interest (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (4:11 pm)
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Agreed re resuming Jeep production
It's my understanding that Jeeps were built in China until 2009.
Note words "return Jeep output" in CEO's message.
38. SomethingFishy (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:38 pm)
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Ok I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt
but you are too stupid to be anything but a troll.
Right now Chrysler is NOT EXPORTING JEEPS TO CHINA. THEY USED TO. NOW THEY DONT. IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. NOW THEY ARE LOOKING TO MANUFACTURE IN CHINA SO THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. NOW YOU UNDERSTAND PROFIT RIGHT? IT'S WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL ABOUT.
No American will lose his or her job over this. You can dance and sing and play word games all day long. It will never change the FACTS.
Plus if you are going to sit here and defend Romney's ad maybe you can explain how Americans would still be making Chryslers when Romneys plan was to and I ****ING QUOTE HIM DIRECTLY ""LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT".. yeah thats a much better plan.
Hey Jeff, sorry this wasn't meant for you, replied to the wrong post..
39. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:41 pm)
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I am not defending Romney
Simple question...
Does Jeep sell cars in Asia today?
42. Jeff In Milwaukee (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:52 pm)
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It's not a simple question...
It's a stupid question.
45. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:56 pm)
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Ok so it's a stupid question
But it's still a question.
Does Jeep sell cars in Asia?
46. Jeff In Milwaukee (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (4:06 pm)
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Read what's been posted....
Production shut down overseas because of the economic crisis, now that the market has rebounded, overseas production is being resumed. Jeeps are still being sold in Asia, but Chrysler isn't making much profit on it, and it wasn't something they ever intended to pursue long-term.
The asinine little point that you're trying to make is that moving production for the Chinese market back to China is going to cost American workers their jobs. This isn't true because these were never "American" jobs to begin with -- they were Chinese jobs that were temporarily shifted to the U.S.
Ohio auto workers know this fully well, and it's blowing up in Romney face. That's because only a stupid sack of shit like Romney wouldn't understand how auto production works. Only a ****ing idiot like Romney would try to convince people that the rebounding of the auto industry is somehow bad for auto workers. The assembly works are gibbering idiots like Romney, the workers know when they're being lied to and they know why they're doing it.
50. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (4:12 pm)
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Thanks
"Jeeps are still being sold in Asia"
That's all I was asking.
"This isn't true because these were never "American" jobs to begin with -- they were Chinese jobs that were temporarily shifted to the U.S. "
That's fine, but it still makes my point, Jeeps that until now were produced in the U.S. will be produced in China.
Of course that is still pending what Chrysler/Fiat decides to do.
48. justiceischeap (Star Member) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (4:07 pm)
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It's a fun way to drive up a post count.
Argue a point that's been proven increases the post count quickly.
51. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (4:17 pm)
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I am just participating in a disscussion
And I appreciate your participation but if you can prove me wrong that would be great.
43. George II (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:53 pm)
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Maybe for the AMERICAN MARKET?????? Sheesh.....
47. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (4:06 pm)
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Just to reply to your question
I have not intimated that the entire Jeep production is moving to China, just the production that is intended to service the Asian market.
41. George II (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:51 pm)
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I'm sure Chrysler has a link on their website that explains their position
44. Darth_ Deciduous (Moocher) - Fri Nov 2, 2012 (3:54 pm)
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Thanks
I have read their explanations and it seems to me that they are thinking about opening up a production facility in China to service the Asian market.
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