DUmmy 99th Monkey accidentally tells the truth

[notaDUmmie]

In the Albertson's stores closing thread, bolding added by me.

99th_Monkey (5,288 posts)
1. They could ALL be closed as far as I'm concerned

I could care less, provided they are mostly transformed into neighborhood
friendly fool cooperatives, or something at least resembling that, where they
market LOCAL produce and products as much as is possible.

  

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021310445

[DLR Pyro]

Friendly fools are better than hostile fools.

[franksolich]

The primate primitive is full of excresence.

Much of the "locally-grown" produce sold at "farmers'" markets in New England, for example.....comes from Florida.

[JohnnyReb]

The primate primitive is full of excresence.

Much of the "locally-grown" produce sold at "farmers'" markets in New England, for example.....comes from Florida.

There are no farmers around here any more. Well, maybe if you count farming cows and poultry. And like New England, most of the stuff sold at the local farmers market is bought at "the state farmers market" in the state capitol off semi trucks from out of state.

[J P Sousa]

There are no farmers around here any more. Well, maybe if you count farming cows and poultry. And like New England, most of the stuff sold at the local farmers market is bought at "the state farmers market" in the state capitol off semi trucks from out of state.

We have two Amish "farmers markets" near me, what a kick in the pants if it turned out the same here. 

You know like the "Indian" trinkets that say "made in China" when you turn them over. 

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[obumazombie]

Fools rush in, where angels fear to tread.
-Alexander Pope-

[GOBUCKS]

Much of the "locally-grown" produce sold at "farmers'" markets in New England, for example.....comes from Florida.

I was at a farmers' market last week that offered bananas.

But they did have great local tomatoes and beans - I could see some of the vines from the market parking area.

[franksolich]

I was at a farmers' market last week that offered bananas.

Uh huh, you'd be surprised what's to be had at the "farmers'" markets down in Lincoln and Omaha, where the hippies, yuppies, yippies, veggies, organics, and other affluent white liberals shop, rather than patronizing their "evil" locally-owned grocery stores.

Pineapples "locally grown" in Nebraska?

Come on, now.

Up here on the roof of Nebraska, we know what's grown here, and nobody tries selling mangos or peanuts or kiwis as "locally grown."

[Undies]

Fools rush in, where angels fear to tread.
-Alexander Pope-

Fools rush in,
So here I am,
Very glad to be unhappy.

-Rodgers & Hart (1936)

(That song would make a dazzling DUmmie theme song)

[Big Dog]

Fools rush in,
So here I am,
Very glad to be unhappy.

-Rodgers & Hart (1936)

(That song would make a dazzling DUmmie theme song)

Wise men say
Only fools rush in.
But, I can't help
Falling in love again.

[obumazombie]

^Don't get it twisted...-Elvis Pretzel-

[ChuckJ]

The primate primitive is full of excresence.

Much of the "locally-grown" produce sold at "farmers'" markets in New England, for example.....comes from Florida.

A guy down here has a little produce booth set up that advertises "fresh" and "locally-grown". My uncle knows the guy. Early one morning we passed him as he was heading south. I asked my uncle where he'd be going so early. Unc said that he was probably going to Florida to stock up on some "fresh" and "locally-grown" produce.

[NHSparky]

The primate primitive is full of excresence.

Much of the "locally-grown" produce sold at "farmers'" markets in New England, for example.....comes from Florida.

Au contraire, mon ami...

Lots of "mom and pop" fruit and vegetable stands about between June and October.  Lots of cornfields, fruit orchards, etc.  Some folks charge way too much for my liking, but then again, I don't have to buy if they want to charge too much.

As I mentioned to Scoobie the other day, were I not working nights, I'd love to take the kids out apple picking.

Oranges and the like, yeah, I'll fess up they're from Florida, but some of our grocery stores make a big deal about the locally grown produce, to the point of putting it front and center, along with which farm it came from in the area.

I don't even buy blackberries anymore, we have so many of them growing wild around the home.  Add the strawberries, raspberries, and blueberries, it's a virtual cornucopia.  I wasn't even aware until I moved up here that there are varieties of grapes that are hardy enough to survive the winters here.  NH has something like 20 wineries and cider producers.

And we even have "Christmas tree farms."  Exciting, that is, being able to buy a tree for a fraction of what one cost when I lived in CA, and you KNOW it's fresh, because you went out, picked it, and chopped it down yourself.

[thundley4]

The only locally grown vegetable around here that I trust is sweet corn.  One main family owned farm supplies it to several stores, a couple of small towns for their festivals and sell  sweet corn at several stands locally.

[RobJohnson]

Au contraire, mon ami...

Lots of "mom and pop" fruit and vegetable stands about between June and October.  Lots of cornfields, fruit orchards, etc.  Some folks charge way too much for my liking, but then again, I don't have to buy if they want to charge too much.

Fresh is best.

Sometimes I don't mind paying a little more as I don't buy that much at one time.

Sounds like you have a good selection, that is great!

[Karin]

you went out, picked it, and chopped it down yourself.

  Yeah, I did that one year.  'Bout froze my ass off.  It sounds more fun on paper.    

We do have the Amish selling their sweet corn on the roadside.  I always stop.  The ladies have fresh baked bread, too.  Can't imagine why NYS hasn't shut down that little operation yet, seeing as they don't have million dollar stainless steel commercial kitchens.   Oh, and they also have pie.   

[BlueStateSaint]

  Yeah, I did that one year.  'Bout froze my ass off.  It sounds more fun on paper.    

We do have the Amish selling their sweet corn on the roadside.  I always stop.  The ladies have fresh baked bread, too.  Can't imagine why NYS hasn't shut down that little operation yet, seeing as they don't have million dollar stainless steel commercial kitchens.   Oh, and they also have pie.   

That reminds me--Riverview Orchards today or tomorrow for a pie.  Thank you, Karin.  H5.

[Karin]

Man, it's easy to get a H5 out of you, you're a cheap date!   

[BlueStateSaint]

Man, it's easy to get a H5 out of you, you're a cheap date!   

But that comes back to haunt you . . . Cheap, but not necessarily easy.

[vesta111]

  Yeah, I did that one year.  'Bout froze my ass off.  It sounds more fun on paper.    

We do have the Amish selling their sweet corn on the roadside.  I always stop.  The ladies have fresh baked bread, too.  Can't imagine why NYS hasn't shut down that little operation yet, seeing as they don't have million dollar stainless steel commercial kitchens.   Oh, and they also have pie.   

As a kid I would head out apple picking so in the later years when we came back for a 6 months stay took the kids to apple orchards to do some picking.   Way back then in Conn. the Orchards did not hire local people, their laborers came from elsewhere and were housed on the property.   Things have not changed that much for farmers up here , we have a few farms that have a pick your own policy but they hire seasonal workers from Jamaica or some such place to handle the crops not picked and paid for by the locals.

There are hundreds of kids wanting a summer job but for the farmers this is not good economics for tax reasons.  The government reimburses the farmers as a business expense for the air fare and housing and food for foreign workers, hiring locals no such tax break.  Wages are something else, the workers have taken from their wages the cost to a farmer to get them here, food and lodging and then sent home. So when all is figured out, a worker comes here from over seas or where ever, works 16 hours a day for 3 months and goes back to their country with $1,500 in cash. This may be a years worth of good living to their family's. They will fight to come back each year and bring their sons and daughters too.

Farmer has spent a business expense deductable of everything included perhaps $4,000 per worker and now can inflate the claim to get a $5,000 dollar write off on each worker or perhaps more. Farmer gets free labor, and if the crops fail there is another write off.

I do not know how this is done up north in the potato fields but the back breaking work of harvesting the suckers, we give no thought to ,must pay allot more to the workers.

If we were to pass laws that said only American citizens  can work the fields, we would starve to death.    But then if we used our  hundreds of thousend of prisoners to do the work the farmers would not be happy to get no tax breaks.  In fact without the tax breaks the farmers would go bankrupt and we would starve.

Strange world we have here, damned if you do, damned if you dont.

[dandi]

99th_Monkey (5,288 posts)
1. They could ALL be closed as far as I'm concerned

I could care less, provided they are mostly transformed into neighborhood
friendly fool cooperatives, or something at least resembling that, where they
market LOCAL produce and products as much as is possible.

I have to ask for the 1000th time: WTH is stopping you now from forming these vaunted "cooperatives" you're always yammering on about? We have space set aside near downtown where local growers hold a "farmers' market" every Saturday to sell their produce and wares.

Oh, that's right. You're not going to build a "cooperative" on your own. You're waiting for some government program to build it for you with taxpayer dollars, stock it, supervise it, guarantee everyone wages in it, and then socialize the losses when it falls on its ass because everyone is expecting everyone else to do the work to keep it going.