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grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« on: August 09, 2012, 01:03:10 AM »
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Oh my.

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NNN0LHI (66,552 posts)

The truth is no one wants to be Romney's VP running mate

That is why it is taking so long to choose one.

Anyone who takes it will be finished politically after the election. Who wants to be the next Palin?

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Firebrand Gary (2,722 posts)

1. You might be on to something here, Don.

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CaliforniaPeggy (97,224 posts)

2. How telling is that?

And I suspect you're right. Nobody wants the role because this candidate is going to lose.

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BlueStreak (42 posts)

3. The people most often discussed are ALREADY finished politically

Jindal, Protman, Pawlenty.

None of them have any political future.

For that same reason, Ryan, Christie and anybody else aspiring to run later will not take it.

Romney should just flip a coin between Trump and Cain.

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4. Paul Ryan does. Believe me, he does. He'll be the real President.

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Rosa Luxemburg (19,839 posts)

11. will there be any lifeboats for him when the Titanic sinks?

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B Calm (16,247 posts)

13. The guy who wants to end medicare and soc sec, great choice!!

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jmowreader (21,861 posts)

19. Which is why he WON'T be the choice

Not even Romney is stupid enough to pick a running mate like that.

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freshwest (16,621 posts)

21. Rand Paul also offered himself already but wasn't picked. But Romney's courtingbaggers. Could be.

The nextweeks ought to be interesting, if for nothing else than being easier to gagging with a spoon for purging oneself.

I expect to see one of the most shameful displays of venality in the galaxy there. The only thing missing will be Darth.

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Summer Hathaway (484 posts)

5. I think you are exactly right.

No one with any future political ambitions wants to jump on the Titanic - which, for all intents and purposes, has already struck the iceberg and is going down.

It's now a matter of which GOPer, with no ambitions and no desire for elected office, will be asked to take one for the team by signing on as the VP hopeful hopeless.

My guess is it will be someone older, a recognizable 'name' in GOP circles, who will announce his/her retirement from public life immediately after the election - having taken a bullet for the good of the party one last time.

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6. They need a Bob Dole type

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7. I kind of doubt that

There's a lot of ambition in Washington. The VP slot, win or lose, often sets up the ambitious for a run of their own next time. H-Dub and Gore got their turns after being VP. Both Lieberman and Edwards lost as running mates, but both ran for president the next time around. I don't think losing damaged their brands much at all (they both eventually damaged their brands on their own).

I would also argue that getting the VP slot made Palin's career. Without it, she probably would never have become a national figure. Now she is. She may not have a future in elected office, but would she have had one if she was still an obscure (former) governor? Now she's making bank and has some clout in the party. I'd say it worked out pretty well for her, actually.

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12. I agree with you

Expanding on your examples, Lieberman had NEVER been on the list of people potentially running for President in the future. As to Edwards, he had opted not to run for re-election in North Carolina even though he could legally do both. He was not secure enough in his seat to be able to spend the time running in the primaries and come back to run for Senate if he lost. Had he not been picked, by 2008, he would have been a mediocre one term Senator who was not well remembered from 2004.

You are right that Palin became a "star" through the VP nomination.

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Tx4obama (20,443 posts)

15. Yeah BUT ...

Whoever is Romney's VP pick will have to defend Mitt on the issues of Bain, not releasing tax returns, off-shore accounts, 100 million dollars in his IRA, not supporting women's rights, and a whole lot more crap.

Palin had ZERO chance of ever staying in politics after the 2008 election.
Most of the names that are being tossed around this time are NOT going to be able to lose and then go off and become a reality star.

I think any 'serious' person will not want to be tied to Romney on the GOP ticket.

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8. Obama is Destined to Win

Destined. And they know it, too. Yes, there is no link.

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Kablooie (7,719 posts)

20. Assuming Romney is the nominee. Everything could change at the convention.

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MrModerate (7,703 posts)

39. Well, I suppose. But don't forget . . .

That Romney exceeded the performance of every other potential Republican candidate this year. Who's going to replace him and do better? Santorum? Gingrich? Huntsman? J. Bush? Christie?

They've got a really feeble candidate and he's the best they could find. It's going to be Obama vs Romney, and let the chips fall where they may.

Myself, I'm feeling comfortable with the matchup, but I want to be sure everyone is also paying attention to downticket races, because Obama is still going to need to be able to govern in his second term. And that's going to be much harder unless we see lots of changes in the House and Senate (and don't forget statehouses and governors' offices).

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10. I doubt that very much.

And its not taking any longer than other recent efforts. Very few people, and I doubt anyone here is among them, actually know how far along the process is.

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emilyg (22,498 posts)

43. Correct. My feeling is he'll announce by Monday.

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Canuckistanian (40,780 posts)

14. More apropos...

Who wants to be the First Mate on the Titanic with foreknowledge of the looming iceberg?

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madinmaryland (49,216 posts)

16. Heh! Even Sarah Palin doesn't want to be Mitten's Veep!

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Lone_Star_Dem (24,643 posts)

18. Jindal would.

So would Paul Ryan, Pawlentry and Portman. That's just naming a few.

Never underestimate the local power a politician can evoke from that appointment.

Yes, even if they lose. They may never go on to be president, but most politicians don't.

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cr8tvlde (340 posts)

22. The Sacrificial Lamb...or the National Nobody who needs a political "Leg up"

Jindal, perhaps.

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HiPointDem (4,235 posts)

23. few serious politicians want to participate in a sham, is why.

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Initech (33,404 posts)

24. Who wants to be the other half of a losing ticket?

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corkhead (3,428 posts)

25. Some grifter like Guilliani or Gingrich willing to whore themselves for future speaking fees

they all know it is like being parachuted in to take the job of first mate on the Titanic, after it hit the iceberg

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Rowdyboy (19,690 posts)

26. There's serious money to be made even by the junior member of a losing team....

It can be parleyed into books, television/radio shows and is a good way for a nobody to ingratiate himself to prominent wealthy sleazebags like the Kochs and Sheldon Adelson. These bozos Romney is considering need any exposure they can get if they're going up against media darlings like Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and Marco Rubio in 2016. I doubt Romney would have to twist the arms of Pawlenty, Jindal, Ryan or Portman very hard to get them on board.

Just think about the money to be made.

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patrice (39,550 posts)

27. Even a completely benighted fool of a loser like SP walked away from it with millions.

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Star Member hay rick (2,373 posts)

32. One of the few that could actually cost Romney votes.

My list of possible 2016 candidates who might prefer to avoid the ticket this year:
Petraeus
Jeb Bush
Condi Rice
Christie
Rubio

Of these, I think Christie will crash and burn early in 2016. Rubio might go for the vp slot this time just to up his national recognition.

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chollybocker (3,311 posts)

33. Interesting.

But Rmoney is still only the *presumptive* R nominee.

Can a *not-really-nominee-yet* make the selection of a candidate for VP?

The VP race is the only thing interesting about Rmoney's failure of a campaign, so it'll drag on til the convention. The convention, LOL.

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Spitfire of ATJ (1,814 posts)

34. Don't forget, the Republican Convention could become a riot thanks to Ron Paul supporters.

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zeemike (9,457 posts)

40. I think Allen West would like to be a Palin.

Then he could get into the right wing book market and maybe a TV show on Fox...and some big time speaking fees and tea party rallies.

The Teabagers love when democrats are called communists.,,,and West is the chief source of jingoism.
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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2012, 04:24:52 AM »
Good God they are idiots.

Don,DOTY involves a lot more then just being stupid beyond comprehension.

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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2012, 04:33:52 AM »
Good God they are idiots.

Don,DOTY involves a lot more then just being stupid beyond comprehension.

You've got to agree--it does help!
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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2012, 05:17:13 AM »
The DUmmies are aware that the VP candidate is rarely announced before the party convention, right?
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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 06:22:51 AM »
The DUmmies are aware that the VP candidate is rarely announced before the party convention, right?

No, because every day the DUmmies wake up is a brand new day.  I swear they could hide their own Easter eggs.   I'm sorry, Spring something or another eggs.
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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 07:21:25 AM »
Well, OK, DUers.  If it's in the bag, it's in the bag.  Save your pennies for yourself as well as your time.  Your guy's in!  But be sure to come out and vote on Nov. 7, just to show your symbolic support! 

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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2012, 07:23:05 AM »
The DUmmies are aware that the VP candidate is rarely announced before the party convention, right?

Actually, one longs for the good old days when it wasn't known until the next-to-the-last, or the last, day of a convention, that the vice presidential candidate was decided upon.
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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2012, 08:04:15 AM »
The DUmmies live in some sort of stupid fantasy land.  I need to start a new folder with all of these predictions the DUmmies and other liberals make about what's going to happen on November 6th and bring them out that night and for several days after. 

I'd like to say that will show how really stupid they are, but that's already obvious, and they will be so enshrouded in their charges of racism and voter fraud anyway.   

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2012, 08:09:53 AM »
The DUmmies live in some sort of stupid fantasy land.  I need to start a new folder with all of these predictions the DUmmies and other liberals make about what's going to happen on November 6th and bring them out that night and for several days after. 

I'd like to say that will show how really stupid they are, but that's already obvious, and they will be so enshrouded in their charges of racism and voter fraud anyway.   

 :hammer:

I thought about that, too, having a thread in the DUmping Ground with the primitive predictions.

If someone else wants to do one, I'll happily "sticky" it to the top of the DUmping Ground for easy reference, but I'm reluctant to do it myself, because essentially all primitive predictions can be encapsulated into one short easy piece of boilerplate:

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Barack Milhous is going to win in a landslide.  Increased Democrat majority in the Senate.  The Democrats take back the House.
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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2012, 08:35:37 AM »
How many dem candidates are skipping the DNC?
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2012, 08:38:47 AM »
How many dem candidates are skipping the DNC?

"Oh, but they have to campaign for re-election."

It's odd, that many of those who had to campaign for election, or re-election, in 2008 managed to find the time to show up for the Democrat national convention that year, no problem.
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."

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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2012, 08:49:14 AM »
How many dem candidates are skipping the DNC?

Well now, one notices that the United Mine Workers, who endorsed Barack Milhous in 2008, aren't going to endorse him this year.

One wonders what's up with that.

Or really, one doesn't wonder.
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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2012, 11:53:37 AM »
November is going to be delicious...
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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2012, 02:08:42 PM »
November is going to be delicious...


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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2012, 02:18:16 PM »
Well, OK, DUers.  If it's in the bag, it's in the bag.  Save your pennies for yourself as well as your time.  Your guy's in!  But be sure to come out and vote on Nov. 7, just to show your symbolic support! 

Why even bother with the voting part? O is destined to win, destined!! They should spend election day toking up and eating cheetos, same as every other day...

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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2012, 05:22:51 PM »
Damn if Don isn't the dumbest of the dumb over there on DU. Election night is going to be a hoot waching DU go offline just to keep the monkies from flinging poo all over Skinners new site.
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Re: Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2012, 05:38:55 PM »
Correct me someone if I'm wrong, but didn't McCain name Palin around Labor Day in '08?  Not that there always is proper timing, but I'm certain that the Romney team has some sort of plan in place.
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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2012, 05:50:55 PM »
Obama named Biden August 23rd, 2008, today is August 9th.  You people are idiots.

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Re: grouchy old Don tells us the truth
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2012, 07:20:52 PM »
Considering the amount of stupid Grouchy Old Don was able to draw out of his fellow primitives with this one post, I am beginning to suspect he is a very practiced and clever mole.

Good going Don!
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