UN Gun Grabbing Arms Bill is Underway with Obama's Blessings.

[Mr Mannn]

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/234455-advocates-of-arms-bill-fight-claims-it-will-rob-us-citizens-of-their-guns
Arms bill supporters fight claims US citizens will be robbed of guns

The United Nations is slated to craft a long-delayed international treaty next month, with the Obama administration's blessing. Groups that support the treaty's stated goal of crafting “common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional weapons” are organizing a slew of events starting next week to build support with the U.S. public and a skeptical Senate, which would have to approve it for the United States to join.

Far from impeding on U.S. sovereignty, argue groups such as Oxfam, Amnesty International and the Arms Control Association, the treaty instead targets those countries with weak or non-existent regulations. The lack of international minimum standards, they say, allowed a notorious gun smuggler like Viktor Bout to circumvent U.S.-backed sanctions and sell weapons to rogue regimes for years before he was captured in Thailand and sentenced to 25 years in prison in New York earlier this year.

“What happens is arms dealers … can hang out and do their operations in countries with weak laws and continue to trade with sanctioned countries or terrorists with impunity,” said Scott Stedjan, a senior policy adviser to Oxfam America.

“The U.S. standard would be so much higher that it would have no impact on U.S. laws. That's where I disagree with people who claim it would violate the 2nd amendment,” he said.

Some lawmakers aren't buying it.

“I believe there is a threat to include civilian firearms within its scope,” Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kansas) said in a speech at the conservative Heritage Foundation this past week. “And the arms trade treaty, if that's true, could restrict the lawful private ownership of firearms in the United States.”

Moran and Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) have been leading the effort in the Senate to ensure that the treaty doesn't infringe on the right to bear arms. The two have spearheaded letters to President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, signed by 45 Republicans and 13 Democrats, opposing restrictions on civilian firearm ownership.

In his speech, according to a Heritage summary, Moran said the treaty would only be acceptable if it:

• explicitly recognizes the legitimacy of hunting, sport shooting, and other lawful activities related to the private ownership of firearms and related materials; • explicitly excludes small arms, light weapons and related materials that are legal for private ownership; • doesn't contain any open-ended obligations that could imply any need to impose domestic controls on any of these items; and • explicitly states that any assertion of the right of sovereign states to individual or collective self-defense does not prejudice the inherent right of personal self-defense.

The National Rifle Association shares those concerns, and has lobbied senators to reject any treaty that includes restrictions on civilian arms.

Treaty advocates in the United States insist that's not the treaty's goal, even if many foreign countries disapprove of the U.S. attitude toward gun ownership. They say the treaty is vital to national security in a world where only 52 countries have laws regulating arms brokers – and fewer than half of those have criminal or monetary penalties for illegal brokering.

“Thousands of civilians around the globe are slaughtered each year by weapons that are sold, transferred by governments or diverted to unscrupulous regimes, criminals, illegal militias, and terrorist groups,” more than 50 U.S.-based organizations wrote to President Obama last month.

“The lack of high common international standards in the global arms trade also raises the risks faced by United States military and civilian personnel working around the globe. It is in U.S. security interests to help reduce the human suffering and instability caused by the lack of an effective international legal regulatory framework on conventional arms transfers,” they said.

In a related effort, Amnesty International next week will launch a month-long campaign by issuing a “bananafesto” in New York's Times Square drawing attention to the fact that bananas are subject to stricter global trade rules than conventional weapons.

What they say and what they will do are two very different things. Get ready for a lame duck session attack on freedom. and get ready for full court press propaganda.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Arms bill supporters fight claims US citizens will be robbed of guns

What they say and what they will do are two very different things. Get ready for a lame duck session attack on freedom. and get ready for full court press propaganda.

1. It would take 2/3 to ratify in the US senate. Between the GOP and the blue dogs that will never happen.

2. Even if it were ratified foreign treaties CANNOT trump the Constitution. No, the "shall be the supreme law of the land" clause doesn't trump the COTUS as the COTUS is what gives the treaty its authority. This has case precedence in Reid v Covert (c. 1956 or 1959)

3. If Obama even pretends to want this he will doom heap additional dooms upon his party.

[BlueStateSaint]

1. It would take 2/3 to ratify in the US senate. Between the GOP and the blue dogs that will never happen.

2. Even if it were ratified foreign treaties CANNOT trump the Constitution. No, the "shall be the supreme law of the land" clause doesn't trump the COTUS as the COTUS is what gives the treaty its authority. This has case precedence in Reid v Covert (c. 1956 or 1959)

3. If Obama even pretends to want this he will doom heap additional dooms upon his party.

Then it should be broadcast far and wide.

[JohnnyReb]

Well, the blue derby wearing bastards will have to take them after they've been run  hot..... very hot I hope.

[Bad Dog]

Well, the blue derby wearing bastards will have to take them after they've been run  hot..... very hot I hope.

Any minute we will see a bunch of little Namibian guys in blue helmets running around our neighborhoods.  In other words "target practice". Be sure to lead them plenty, they're fast.

[txradioguy]

3. If Obama even pretends to want this he will doom heap additional dooms upon his party.

Except that he doesn't care what you and I think.

[Lacarnut]

Except that he doesn't care what you and I think.

Nor does he feel like he has to follow the constitution. He thinks he is king and the other two branches of government are his underlings. .

[txradioguy]

Nor does he feel like he has to follow the constitution. He thinks he is king and the other two branches of government are his underlings. .

Like I've said before...he believes the Constitution is a "fundamentally flawed" document...therefore in his mind he doesn't have to follow it if he doesn't want to.

[JohnnyReb]

Like I've said before...he believes the Constitution is a "fundamentally flawed" document...therefore in his mind he doesn't have to follow it if he doesn't want to.

The constitution is only useful to Obama and DUmmies when it is percieved to grant certain rights to government freebies.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Except that he doesn't care what you and I think.

And I always assume as much.

The treaty would be unenforceable in the US and it would be political suicide for the dems.

[Eupher]

While most of us decry this kind of thing as being untenable and political suicide for the Dems, what we should be mindful of is the overall acceptance of the American people toward the U.N.

Beginning with Wilson's bullshit League of Nations (which the U.S. never joined), one of WWII's outputs was the U.N., which began trumpeting the "new world order" and dissolution of sovereignty as unspoken, but viable, goals.

Most Americans won't have a clue about this "international treaty" or really care that much.

And that right there plays right into the U.N.'s hands. The U.N.'s tireless, patient and relentless work toward dissolution of national sovereignty across the board (but particularly toward that of the U.S.) won't cease until the U.N. is at the top of the shitpile. The organization wants ultimate authority, power, and jurisdiction over all things worldly.

And Americans allow that shit to happen on our own ****ing soil.