Evolution right before your eyes.
Too bad they're still unfit for survival.
Shankapotomus (674 posts)
We have to play dirty
And that means taking a cue from the Republican playbook. We need rewrite laws in our favor while we have the chance without regard to bipartisan cooperation. **** 'em. We need to force a campaign finance reform on Republicans that favors our side. We need to use our advantages.
We can either ban corporate contributions to election campaigns or, OR
We can legalize foreign contributions where we would have a huge advantage because the world hates these ****ers. We need to enlist our foreign allies and put a stake in the Republicans once and for all.
ZM90 (155 posts)
1. Yes by any means necessary and for the greater good as those GOP bastards sure won't play fair!
calimary (26,993 posts)
2. Yep. If that's the way the game is played, and it IS, then yes.
Whenever somebody says - "oh but but but we can't do that... it makes us just like them!!!!" I simply say - "got news for you: I WANT to be just like them. Because they WIN."
You cannot govern unless you win.
You cannot set the agenda unless you win.
You cannot use the bully pulpit unless you win.
You cannot lead the way unless you WIN.
Sucks, but that's the way it is.
I've been saying for a long time now - where are OUR kkkarl roves? Where are OUR thinkers who devise these strategies that starve the opponents, corner them, prevent them from being able to compete, keep them from getting their message out (because YOU own all the broadcast and cable and radio network outlets that count) and brainwash the public.
In war, you cut the enemy's lines of communication. Then you cut their supply lines. Then you sit back and watch them shrivel into nothing while you run the table unopposed.
Some of us were saying this 30 years ago when ralph reed and his ****ing "Christian Coalition" was urging operatives and partisans to get in at the local level. Take over the school board. Run for alderman. Run for county council. And then start building once you're in, and you can start working your way up with a gradually increasing power base. And by the time you've been able to reach into your state Senate or maybe Congress or the US Senate or lieutenant governorship - OR better yet, your state's Secretary of State (which supervises all the voting), it's too late to stop you, and your opponents won't even start noticing til you've taken over the governorship and majorities in both houses in the state legislature. Or you're the major of the city. Or some other figure with clout.
And meanwhile, our naifs were all saying - "but, but, but ... the people will SEE! The people will KNOW! They'll SEE what the other side is trying to do to them and they'll get active and vote! The people will SEE!"
Sadly, NO THEY WON'T!!!!! Not when they've been brainwashed by a deliberate long-term strategy of taking over the media, starting with the deregulation of ownership and broadcast license requirements and obligation to the public trust in the community supposedly being served.
The people WILL NOT see. To believe otherwise is just to be ****ing NAIVE. And not in touch with anything remotely resembling reality. The people will NOT see.
NOT as long as rush limbaugh isn't stopped.
NOT as long as Pox Noise is allowed to flourish.
NOT as long as outfits like the Daily Caller and Newsmax and the Drudge Report and breitbart.com and all the rest of those hacks and viper pits are allowed to continue, virtually unopposed.
It really pisses me off. WHERE were OUR wealthy people when all those radio stations were being gobbled up by the Mays family (ClearChannel) and rupert murdoch and so forth? Where was OUR ClearChannel or Premiere Radio Networks, instead of that embarrassing, anemic, nearly stillborn Air America? How many stations did we wind up with there? Sixty? Wow. Pretty humiliating considering limbaugh and that-guy-whose-name-rhymes-with-VANITY have 400 - 600.
Just infuriating.
So how will our country look when a few Goliaths wind up owning everything and there are no Davids as far as the eye can see?
Shankapotomus (674 posts)
4. Well, we can win and have won in the past
we just need to fully use our advantages when we do win and not shrink from imposing liberal and progressive policies that favor us, not Republicans. You give them an inch and they use it against us. We can't do that anymore.
Correct me if I'm wrong but before Citizens United unions could spend unlimited sums whereas corporations could not.
Algore tried to cherry pick counties for recount.
Algore tried to throw out absentee ballots, 80% of whom were overseas military.
The "stimulus" was passed without a single GOP vote.
The GM bailout was strictly by executive diktat.
The GM bailout scrapped centuries of bankruptcy law to give the unions controlling shares while primary lien holders suffered a loss/theft of their rightful property.
ObamaCoup was passed by twisting Reconciliation rules.
The NLRB is passing new regs allowing snap union certs elections without a quorum.
Solyndra was funded after Bush admin rejected it and Obama admin personnel predicted the very year and month it would go bankrupt.
The GOP, on the other hand, is winning its fights using established rules.
GarroHorus (223 posts)
6. They wrote the rules of engagement
It's high time we started playing by their rules.
Our rules are the Constitution.
We would love for you to play by our rules.
meow2u3 (12,013 posts)
17. I agree. Force and dirty tricks are all they understand
They picked this fight, so the only way we can win is to beat them at their own game.
meow2u3 to Democrats: it's time to say, "No more Mr. Nice Guy/Madam Nice Gal. If you repukes want to hit below the belt, two can play that game."
All we did was win an election.
gopiscrap (1,204 posts)
7. Couldn't have said it better
I agree...we need to lie, cheat and do anything else to win as long as we don't get caught..when we do get caught, lie and obstruct...that's how the repukes are dloing it...we'll never get anywhere unless we do.
You mean like your "Mitt Romney is a closet serial rapist" lies?
How about "Obama joined a socialist political party and worked with avowed terrorists"?
Oh wait, those aren't lies.
0rganism (16,386 posts)
11. we have to win elections before we can rewrite laws
Sorry to break it to ya, that ship has pretty much sailed. They already hold the cards -- no, **** that, they own the deck and the table and the roof under which the game is played. It's going to take a long time and a couple of big miracles to undo what's going to happen in the next 30 years.
KurtNYC (9,834 posts)
16. I think we should organize directly around goals and issues instead of around politicians
People can be bought or threatened but goals endure.
For example, it wasn't called the "MLK Jr. Movement" so it didn't have to answer for his human qualities and it didn't die with him. The goal was the name: Civil Rights Movement. And more recently: Occupy Wall Street and (dare I mention) Taxed Enough Already.
Yeah!
If only leftists could come together with a(n obstensibly) grassroots movement to point-out the economic disparities in America! It would blow the doorsa off of the Tea Party!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002778764
