"I’m a Pro-Israel Muslim: So Why did UJS Ban Me?" (Ban strafes the thread!)

[GOP Congress]

I saw this thread, which was kind of lame and boring to start, but apparently the thread started by a guy or gal named Shira (coincidentally close to "sharia" as in law?) was undermined by BantheGOP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11347692

(I'm combining first two posts; they are both from shira, and I ain't hotlinking squat)

I’m a Pro-Israel Muslim: So Why did UJS Ban Me?

Sadly, I was not surprised to see the rearguard action by the Union of Jewish Students (UJS) to encourage Jewish Societies to write to the Jewish Chronicle regarding the courageous human rights attorney Brooke Goldstein, who was recently banned by some Jewish students from speaking at Leeds campus. This is the same UJS that pressured J-Socs to ban me in February.

In a previous life I was anti-Semitic and an angry anti-Israeli activist. Fortunately for me, I learnt the facts and now campaign proudly for Israel.

more...
http://hurryupharry.org/2012/04/08/i’m-a-pro-israel-muslim-so-why-did-ujs-ban-me/

When speaking to predominantly Jewish audiences, Kasim Hafeez often begins by saying the following words: “When I was in university, I would have gladly killed every one of you.”

By his own admission Kasim Hafeez was three months away from going to a Jihadist training camp. He easily could have ended up as a suicide bomber.

If this doesn’t get your attention, nothing will. But the story of Kasim Hafeez, and his journey from hating Israel and the Jewish people, to becoming a self described “Zionist,” is one of the most remarkable transformations I have ever heard of.

On Feb. 6, I had the opportunity to attend a speech by Hafeez titled: “Changing the narrative of Israel in the Muslim community,”

Hafeez was born in the U.K., where, as he tells it, he was raised in an anti-Semitic and anti-Israel environment and was radicalized while attending university. He grew up going to anti-Israel and anti U.S. protests. He was repeatedly told “everything was a conspiracy by the West.”

He began by telling the audience that the situation in the U.K. today is terrible; anti-Semitic attacks, especially at university campuses create fear among Jewish citizens. He became “radicalized” at the university, attending many anti-Israel events and movies — even seeing peers intimidating Jewish students.

He discussed the anti-Israel movement, a movement that often defines itself as “anti-Zionist.” He said that he could “not tolerate the term anti-Zionism,” because it’s “just anti-Semitism repackaged.” He said that among his group, despite their hatred for Israel and the Jewish people, “Nobody would say they were an anti-Semite, we all said we were anti-Zionist instead.”

He took part in events where he and his friends chanted “death to Israel”, and openly called for “the slaughter of Jews.”

And in a sad exemplification of the maxim that “Evil can only triumph when good men do nothing,” nobody at the university campus did anything in response to these horrible words.

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http://www.cija.ca/articles-of-interest/choosing-peace-over-hate/

Actually, kind of boring, not really worth the pixels its written in. But along comes dear ol' Ban...

BanTheGOP
2. Only one pragmatic solution available: Decertification of the Israeli state

Israel needs to be internationally decertified as a country, with progressive Arabs forming the bullwark of a new democratic or other form of non-republican party like entity. It must let the people decide where everyone should live, and imprison all Israeli hardliners for their terrorist activities against Palestine and the neighboring Arab states. I would suggest naming the country Palestine, with a consortium of progressive Arab interests running things, and a demilitarization of the region. ONLY when that happen will there be peace in the mideast, though it must also work in conjunction with a US ban on the republican party to ensure no military meddling on our part.

Israel is 100% at fault, and must be taken to account and decertified. Pure and simple.

Oh, SOCK IT TO ME, BABY!! Classic Ban... it's amazing to see how the Skinnerheads will monitor this thread...

I won't post anything else, just go read the thread. Ban is all over the place with his rhetoric and diatribes about Israel.

[Big Dog]

BanTheGOP is the best mole EVER!

www.electstevedawes.com

[Gina]

is www.electstevedawes.com getting plenty of hits?

[Karin]

The jury weighed in, and voted to leave BTG's anti-semitic rants.  It's obvious to me that Demokrats hate Jews.  Hate them. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Countries get certified?  Who knew?

 

[RWKindaGuy]

The jury weighed in, and voted to leave BTG's anti-semitic rants.  It's obvious to me that Demokrats hate Jews.  Hate them. 

Hate them That is all.

[FiddyBeowulf]

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12. Decertification just for Israeli GOVERNMENT and STATE, but NOT the general population

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bla, blah, blah...Israeli nazis ...blah, blah, blah...

The rest of his post is unnecessary when just two word from the post will do. They also say so much more about BTG than anything I can put into words. 

[vesta111]

Sort of an " I was lost but now I see" sort of  a post.      

So explain to me why so many Male Christians in jail are being converted to the Islam faith, and why few woman in prison do so.

Conversions to Christianity are way down it seems among the male inmates, only those that want an early realise on grounds they have found Jesus and will mend their ways.

  

[Rebel]

So explain to me why so many Male Christians in jail are being converted to the Islam faith, and why few woman in prison do so. 

Black males are converting and it has more to do with this black liberation theology bullshit and other dirty Muzzies convincing them that Christianity is the evil cracka religion.

[vesta111]

Black males are converting and it has more to do with this black liberation theology bullshit and other dirty Muzzies convincing them that Christianity is the evil cracka religion.

Nah, just watched a program from the 1960's where Mike Wallice intervied Melcom X and Mr. Melcom reffered to his people as Nergros. Not Black, or  people of color.

Most Negros of his day were Christian and proud of it.  Good Church going Christians, people of faith and induence.

Must be very difficult today for the older Negros to face the fact that their grand children have chosen to follow a strange God to them , how to face their identity being lost to a strange new God.

Difficult for other races to face the loss of the grand Negro spiritials songs from worship and songs of praise.

So what do we have here, a society that has gone from the love of othes into the love of self.   A seualised society based on mens sexual desires and has no respect for woman or female children that may getting the way of their impulses.

The Object of their desiere  are now put down to cows, so they have little interaction other then sex with them. 

How do the older Negro comunity face this, family members with 3-4 wives and a bunch of grandkids that are not sure who their mother is. ?????

The Negro comunity is being torn apart from with in something Melcom X never expected, I am sure he expected outside forces to ravage his people, but the idea that  a strange New God would come to break apart familys was  not in his mind. 

[Rebel]

I'm going with my explanation.

[jukin]

So explain to me why so many Male Christians in jail are being converted to the Islam faith, and why few woman in prison do so. 

I guess none of them know that it is the muslims that are killing the blacks in Africa. Nor do they know that it was mohammeds followers that captured and sold the black Africans to YT.

[Rebel]

I guess none of them know that it is the muslims that are killing the blacks in Africa. Nor do they know that it was mohammeds followers that captured and sold the black Africans to YT.

All they know is that cracka ass cracka religion Christianity is the white devil's religion.

[Gina]

All they know is that cracka ass cracka religion Christianity is the white devil's religion.

    It's ***** Ass Cracker!

[JohnnyReb]

 

So explain to me why so many Male Christians in jail are being converted to the Islam faith, and why few woman in prison do so.

 

Well it's like this...what other religion will allow you to steal all you want from people of other beliefs, rape all their women, enslave and sell their kids, marry 6 year old girls, beat your wife and kill all those you disagree with...I'm converting tomarrow.

[GOP Congress]

Great thread so far! Ban dukes it out with a freeper troll...

Star Member BanTheGOP
8. Do you have a better idea? I'm all ears... n/t

OH OH...Ban lays down the gauntlet... any takers?

Star Member Ruby the Liberal
10. Certainly not advocating putting

the 30% population of non-Jewish Israelis "in charge" by "decree".

One of the dumbest suggestions I have ever read about this conflict and I have seen my fair share of dumb suggestions.

The trick to avoiding bigotry is to avoid judgment until someone proves that they live up to the stereotype ~ dark

A freeper troll!! Gotta be...

Star Member BanTheGOP
11. You misread my point...is it deliberate?

I didn't say that Israeli's couldn't be part of the government. I said that US republican party-backed Israeli military/industrial complex would be taken out of the picture, including the fascist conservative elements of the Mossad. Jewish individuals (not "Jews;" that is an ethnic slur) would have the opportunity to become part of the government; it is a TRUE democracy after all. Once the government has been solidified as a, such like the Muslim Brotherhood, then everything can revert back to progressive normalcy.

Basically, nuclear military capabilities would be eliminated to match that of the rest of the region. and the land distributed in equitable ways that ensure prosperity for everyone, not just the republicanist jewish people. But they would be part of the society, not apart from it, even if they deserve it. Only those conservatives who have criminally been abusive in their conservative governance would be denied citizenship, and either imprisoned or banished from the region.

LOL... Ban tries to placate the masses...

holdencaufield
14. Jew is an ethnic slur?

I've been a Jew all my life -- I never considered it one.

Maybe in your circle of friends it's considered a slur?

No, but in YOUR circle of friends it's considered a "slut." Sorry, couldn't resist, wordplay and all.

Anyway, now that he calls out Ban on the carpet for threatening his semtism...

Star Member BanTheGOP
22. It depends on how the word "Jew" is used in context of whomever is saying it

For instance, we all know the n-word is rehensible when a non-African American says the word in virtually any context other than a quote (such as on CNN recently), and even then the non-African American speaker has to be highly careful in qualifying the usage. For African Americans, it is not only legitimate but understandable, and we all know that.

For decades, republicanists have use the word "Jew" in disparaging context, usually to separate themselves from their original racist southern Evangelical heritage. The worst cases are using it in verb form. With continuous disparaging in this fashion, the word "Jew," when used by non-Jewish individuals, creates an uncomfortable chasm, much like the Confederate flag or the song Dixie does with African Americans. As a white person, I cannot begin to fathom their discomfort, and therefore we must be cognizant of other individual's feelings.

So with all due respect, holden, I submit that when non-Jewish individuals use the word "Jew," even in non-confrontational conversation, the remnants of such bias remain in the hearts of all individuals, and must be curtailed and, in the case of republicanists, condemned harshly.

Now, keep in mind I separate "Israeli" from "Jewish individual" in the context of government action and control. The Israeli government is way out of control, and needs to be decertified and rendered over to a true democratic process involving all citizens in the region. The government, acting in concert with the American GOP, DOES in fact represent Nazi philosophy and actions. THAT is the difference. This is why we have to be extremely careful here in communicating our hatred of the Israeli miltaristic regime, while at the same time championing the individual rights of all citizens, no matter their religious persuasion.

Oh, for pete's sake! What a weasel answer. Trying to justify an action when EVERYONE knows what the real motivation behind all your DU anti-semites are! If I didn't detect the passion behind the posts he'd be hilarious...

shira
23. You really don't know much about Israel. It's fascinating to see people who don't know anything...

...chime in pretending that they do.

Israel is far and away a more liberal nation than the USA. It's a fact, not opinion.

Gay rights, death penalty, healthcare, Israel Started out socialist and still is (moreso than the USA), much more self critical media, very liberal court system, far better on environmental issues, leaders in stem cell research, better on immigration (for example from Ethiopia, Sudan), state subsidized public college tuition, better labor unions. Israel had its first Arab President back in 2007. Israel had a female PM back in the 70's. The Knesset currently has Palestinian factions within it opposed to Israel's existance (the more secular Balad and the Islamist Raam Taal). Lastly, in combat Israel's civilian to militant kill ratio is significantly better than the USA and Israel isn't fighting wars thousands of miles away against nations posing no threat to its citizens.

The GOP would rather curl up and die than see America become more liberal like Israel.

Remember also, the Democratic Party strongly backs Israel. It's not just the GOP. As you can see in the paragraph above, Liberal Dems back Israel b/c of Israel's liberal nature.

Israel...LIBERAL?? LOL... try telling that to someone who's contantly having their storefronts blown up by 11 year old homicide bombers. You'd get

Star Member BanTheGOP
27. So we back it by providing a billion and a half for nukes and weapons.

Brilliant.

Actually, that WAS a "brilliant" comback...against a "troll"... I can sense the DU crowd on pins and needles... and cheeto crumbs...

shira
29. Right. It would cost FAR more if Israel didn't exist and America had to have more...

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....bases, troops, and air and sea power in that part of the world.

Israel's a bargain in comparison. In fact the USA pays almost 3 times as much to Egypt and Pakistan combined, 2 nations that are hopelessly rightwing and fascist.

Also, Israel is no threat to nuke others, as Israel's neighbors know quite well. Iran OTOH is a different story and you'll notice that other ME nations are scared shitless, to the point of wanting to Start their own nuclear programs in order to counter Iran. It's Iran that scares them shitless, not Israel.

OH oh, now the Freeper troll is justifying the $billion+ by saying the US saves money by not putting bases!! WRONG PERSON TO SAY THAT TO, SHIVA!!

Get ready for the hanging curve ball...

Star Member BanTheGOP
34. And we "need" bases....WHY??

We should be migrating the military toward the UN. Our unilateral, or more specifically, the republicanist-backed edicts that force our unilateral use of military force in areas of the world we have no business in the first place is what is causing the escalation of violence in the region. Using Israel as a proxy, regardless of how much of a "bargain" it is, is like contracting out murders to hitmen rather than doing the jobs ourselves. In all cases, it's violent, criminal, and ultimately destructive toward humanity as a whole.

There it is. De-militarize the US military. Essentially give in to world domination.

shira
37. The US military under UN control? You have to be kidding. The UN is controlled by....

...some of the most batshit insane rightwing fascist human rights abusers on the planet.

FFS, the UN just recently and officially praised the Gaddafi government. Lebanon (really Hezbollah) was president of the UN security council. This is the same UN that applauded Sri Lanka's actions a few years back and is practically silent WRT the Darfur massacres that have killed millions (in comparison they're at least 10x more vocal WRT Israel). Iran is in charge of a commission on women.

You want the US military under the command of fascist right-wingers who make our GOP look liberal in comparison?

Are you kidding?

Well, that's it for now. Either DU has gotten some sense or shiva is a not-so-subtle freeper troll. Great entertainment!! Much better than watching OWN...