Using the other side's talking points

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SomethingFishy

Say it's all true...

Last edited Mon Mar 26, 2012, 04:30 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

 Say Trayvon confronted Zimmerman. Say he beat his coward ass to a pulp. Pardon me for asking but doesn't confronting a man who is stalking you fall under the ****ING STAND YOUR GROUND law?
 
Zimmerman admits stalking the kid. The kid "feels threatened" and goes after Zimmerman. According to the law Zimmerman is being protected by, the kid is perfectly within his rights to beat the shit out of Zimmerman.
 
The circular logic the right wing is displaying astounds me.

It's all moot anyway, the kid is gone, Zimmerman needs to be on trial. Let a jury sort this shit out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002474943

How cute.

Now let me show you how it's done.

Liberals say:

* you have a duty to retreat.

* call the cops and let them handle it

* property can be replaced, it is not worth a human life


No conservative says Zimmerman or anyone else has a right to confront.

Yet, soon we will here that because Zimmerman followed Martin, Martin had a right to confront Zimmerman and initiated physical force.

No liberal will say Martin should have dropped his Skittles, retreated and waited for the police.

TheWraith

4. You're correct. That's why even if you believe Zimmerman, he's on the hook for manslaughter.

Among other reasons, Florida self defense laws (like every other self defense law in the country that I'm aware of) very specifically does not extend to the aggressor in an incident. You can't instigate a fight with someone and then kill them in self defense. Zimmerman became the aggressor once he started pursuing Martin, at which point his ability to claim self defense went away. For that matter, even if you're attacked first by someone, you can't pursue them afterward and still invoke self defense, even if they committed a crime against you or someone else.

Horse shit.

I pursued a DUI while I was on I-25. I followed the car, keeping police informed of my location the entire time. When the driver parked and went to her apartment I followed to see which door she went through. Not only did the police rely on my information to affect an arrest they allowed me to make a written statement and at no time did the DA or defense council or anyone question my actions.

[ChuckJ]

I listened to the Zimmerman 911 call. Based on the sound of his voice and the noise on the phone, it sounds to me like he stopped pursuing when the 911 operator told him that they didn't need him to chase the guy.

[GOP Congress]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002474943

How cute.

Now let me show you how it's done.

Liberals say:

* you have a duty to retreat.

* call the cops and let them handle it

* property can be replaced, it is not worth a human life


No conservative says Zimmerman or anyone else has a right to confront.

Yet, soon we will here that because Zimmerman followed Martin, Martin had a right to confront Zimmerman and initiated physical force.

No liberal will say Martin should have dropped his Skittles, retreated and waited for the police.

Horse shit.

I pursued a DUI while I was on I-25. I followed the car, keeping police informed of my location the entire time. When the driver parked and went to her apartment I followed to see which door she went through. Not only did the police rely on my information to affect an arrest they allowed me to make a written statement and at no time did the DA or defense council or anyone question my actions.

Do you have timestamped video evidence or pictures, or able to provide tape from security cameras?

Not to be a dweeb, and I appreciate what you were trying to do.

But if the suspect stated he did not drive in the past few hours, then your statement is essentially not going to pass muster (unless you yourself are LE). Even the audio on the phone wouldn't be enough in most cases, as audio can be conducted without a suspect.

My guess is the suspect confessed on the spot, in which case you are not on the spot anymore. But if I were the suspect, and I didn't say anything to the cop when he came to the door, there would be plenty of room for reasonable doubt.

Again, Sarge, not dissing your actions, and in fact I would have done the same thing, but if there was no video, no corresponding evidence (perhaps a warm car engine), or no witnesses from where he came from or others who also saw him drive under the influence, then there essentially is no case.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The SUV careened up against the retaining wall after narrowly missing another car in a failed lane change. Being a medic my first instinct was assistance. When the SUV kept swerving I dialed 911. I followed the SUV as it left the highway. I was in contact with 911 the entire time even reporting the SUV going up onto the sidewalk. By the time the SUV parked, the driver staggered < 100 yards to her apartment and I returned to my car the police were on scene. They saw her enter her apartment and knocked. No doubt she spilled her own beans but the SUV had the damage from hitting the retaining wall and they found her in possession of Rx's not her own (they were in the name of Michael Jackson). I reviewed the meds to let the cops know if she was going to die on them on the way to the jail. And, as I reported to the police and they could plainly see: she had pissed herself while driving.

911 never once told me to back-off.

The cops had no problem with it.

Hell, even the Army seemed cool with it even though I was in uniform at the time.

[Airwolf]

Some of you here know of my little run in with a shooter over a year ago. He claimed self defense at his trial and even wit htwo shots to the back of the head the jury let him go free. So lurking Dummies this isn't as open and shut as you might want to believe.

http://momaha.com/article/20110303/NEWS97/703039887

http://www.kidzexplore.com/article/20120309/NEWS97/120309636

So you can see lurking DUmmies your getting all bent out of shape wishing for justice may still be just that ,a wish.

[GOP Congress]

The SUV careened up against the retaining wall after narrowly missing another car in a failed lane change. Being a medic my first instinct was assistance. When the SUV kept swerving I dialed 911. I followed the SUV as it left the highway. I was in contact with 911 the entire time even reporting the SUV going up onto the sidewalk. By the time the SUV parked, the driver staggered < 100 yards to her apartment and I returned to my car the police were on scene. They saw her enter her apartment and knocked. No doubt she spilled her own beans but the SUV had the damage from hitting the retaining wall and they found her in possession of Rx's not her own (they were in the name of Michael Jackson). I reviewed the meds to let the cops know if she was going to die on them on the way to the jail. And, as I reported to the police and they could plainly see: she had pissed herself while driving.

911 never once told me to back-off.

The cops had no problem with it.

Hell, even the Army seemed cool with it even though I was in uniform at the time.

Hell, that's evidence enough. Guilty!

Hope you don't mind my interjection, though. If you would have said he played pinball with the guard rails then I wouldn't have even bothered as corresponding vehicle/guardrail damage would be game over.

Seriously, though...Michael Jackson???

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Hell, that's evidence enough. Guilty!

Hope you don't mind my interjection, though. If you would have said he played pinball with the guard rails then I wouldn't have even bothered as corresponding vehicle/guardrail damage would be game over.

Seriously, though...Michael Jackson???

No worries. No error on your part, I just didn't feel like recounting all the minutae, just what was relevant to the DUmbass's statement. You inquired, I answered. That's all fair.

At the time I wrote about it; it's buried in The Lounge somewhere--I think--under the title "My good deed for the day" or something to that effect.

Yeah, I pointed-out the Michael Jackson part to the officer. You'd've thought he'd be the first to notice such things; "trained observer" and all that. We joked that Mr. jackson probably had plenty of left overs and didn't need his anymore as it was only several months after the celebrity pedo's death.