The Doctor is something of a dick, isn't he?

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TheMastersNemesis (470 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

Rise Of The GOP Authoritarian Police State
 
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kctim (3,247 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

4. Yep

People didn't believe the campaign warnings saying the GOP would outlaw abortion, and now abortion is illegal. They didn't believe the warnings that the GOP would kill social security, and now we no longer have this great safety net. They didn't believe the GOP would change our country into a theocracy, but now we are forced to pray every morning, noon and night.

With such a great record of dire warnings, maybe now the people will believe that a "theocratic corporate police state" is coming if they vote for the GOP.

 

Sigh. We are going to have control of all three branches come this time next year. We don't need fearful propaganda scare tactics to do that.

The Doctor. (16,189 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

5. The tectonics disagree with you.

There have been long, slow steps, taken over a long time, that will lead to fascism in America. All the little things you'd expect to see go into place on the way to a fascist state have been put into place with few exceptions.

The Republicans are most likely to be at the helm when fascism takes the stage because their constituents are generally too stupid to recognize it and most likely to go along with whatever they're told. So long as they see their side as 'winning', they will jump right on that bandwagon.

Response to The Doctor. (Reply #5)
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 03:31 PM
kctim (3,247 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

6. So what am I to fear most?

The 'socialist' nation that people on the left are to stupid to recognize OR the 'fascist' nation that people on the right are too stupid to recognize?
 
Abortion isn't illegal. Our guns have not been banned. President Bush did not push old people to rot in the streets. President Obama has created a nation of slaves dependent on government to survive.

Face it, the doom and gloom rhetoric has not panned out.

The Doctor. (16,189 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

7. The one that is in actual evidence.

If you haven't learned enough to figure that out for yourself by now, just think of the perception of European nations that the 'media' imposes on so many here.

I'd love to think we have nothing to worry about, but your ignorance is in evidence.

Want the straight stuff?

kctim (3,247 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

8. I gave you actual evidence

that show's the far-right and far-left talking points to be nothing but paranoia.

I have spent around ten years of my life living in European nations and while the utopia perception the media promotes is off base, it isn't all that bad once you understand the difference in how individual freedoms are viewed.

As I prefer facts, the "straight stuff" is all I use.

Response to kctim (Reply #8)
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 07:48 PM
The Doctor. (16,189 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

11. Oh hell, I'll walk you through it anyway.

Last edited Mon Mar 12, 2012, 07:57 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

http://www.anotheramerica.org/fascism.htm

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia.
Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

True or False:

Republican figures and media have been steadily cultivating an attitude that slogans representing patriotism are tantamount to actual patriotism. This substitution of symbols for actual understanding of the tenets of The Constitution and cultural philosophy is very popular among 'conservatives'.

This is in line with Point 1 of the Stages of Fascism.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that
human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need". The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions,
assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

True or False:

Republicans and the 'conservative' media fit this profile.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived
common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

True or False:

Republicans and the 'conservative' media fit this profile.

4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding,
and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Do you deny this is the current case?

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are
made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Ummm... Duh?

6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by
government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

True or False: These days the corporate media tends to favor Republicans even when they are entirely ****ing stupid.

7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.


True or False: Republicans use 'A noun, a verb, and 'terrorism'/'liberalism'/'socialism'/etc.' at every opportunity.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public
opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the
government's policies or actions.


True or False: This is a typical agenda for Republicans.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power,
creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


True or False: This is happening shamelessly and blatantly today.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated
entirely or are severely suppressed.


True or False: Republicans and their corporate allies are trying to quash labor power.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon
for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the
arts.


True or False: Republicans and 'conservative' media outlets are sowing disdain for higher education and intellectuals.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing
to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in
fascist nations.

True or False: Police are getting ever more power and peaceful OWS protestors are being abused by police.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to
government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for
national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.


Even though it's the weakest one, True or False: Billions of dollars have disappeared in Iraq and Trillions from the Federal Reserve.

14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or
even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the
media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

True or False: The elections in 2000 in FL and 2004 in Ohio were heavily rigged for the Republican candidate.

All of these points line up with Republicans far more than Democrats. Fascism is in the foyer.

If you really appreciate 'facts', then you'll answer those questions. Otherwise I'll be happy to write you off as clueless.

kctim (3,247 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

12. Oh, I appreciate facts for sure

1.
Truth: We as a nation have always held our flag in high regard, there has been no "steady cultivation" of this attitude. Mottos, slogans, symbols, songs etc... have been a part of our nations culture from its founding and claiming it's proof of creeping fascism goes against the 200+ years of our history.

So, false. Love of country has nothing to do with people disagreeing with your opinion and interpretation of the tenets of The Constitution.

2. False.
There is no "conservative" or "liberal" media brainwashing people into fascism or socialism and both sides us fear to push their own agenda. You claim the right has disdain for human rights and the right claims you have disdain for individual rights, and you both use the extremes to "prove" your point.

3. True for both sides actually. But when you get down to it, how each side defines the other sides actions is the problem. Both sides see themselves as victims and both sides claim fascism or socialism when opinion differs from their own.


Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived
common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. No, I do not deny that we have military supremacy. Of course, an all volunteer military that does not have any power outside of the military isn't fascism either.

5. Duh? Abortion is legal in this country and high opposition to it is primarily over the viable stage and encompasses both parties. There is no law against being a homosexual and being against gay marriage doesn't always mean one has a phobia of gays. Yes, some anti-gay legislation does come up that we must work to change, but the fact that we are doing so shows that we are progressing on the issue. Same is true of womens issues.

6. False. Support for liberals or conservative depends on the media and what is "entirely ****ing stupid" is opinion only.

7. True, they do. But what is the difference between using those words and using words like theocracy, conservatism, rednecks and fascism at every opportunity?

8. False. The typical "agenda" for Republicans is to follow the Constitution as they believe it should be followed. The super religious minority part of the party are not representative of the party as a whole. If it were, there would be no 1st Amendment.

9. True and false. Yes, it can be argued that business has to much influence in government, but it can also be argued that government has to much influence in businesses. Fact is though, that government is the only entity with the power to make us do anything and there is nothing that shows Wal-Mart controls you.

10. Lack of voluntary support does not mean it is suppressed. Sure Republicans have chosen to support the individual over the union, but that hardly is proof that they are trying to quash labor any more than it means Democrats are trying to install the hammer and sickle by choosing unions over the individual.

11. False. Both sides promote higher education and intellectuals, all one has to do is listen to them to see this. The problem both sides have is that their own personal opinions and interpretations are not being taught.

12. True, the police are indeed being given too much power year by year. I wouldn't signal out OWS though.

13. True, but this has been going on for decades and both parties are guilty of it. IF this was proof of us becoming a fascist state, we would already be one.

14. Unless I have missed some investigations or new facts, the answer is still false. Ranks right up there with all the "proof" that the UN is helping steal elections for Democrats and patrolling our streets.

"All of these points line up with Republicans far more than Democrats. Fascism is in the foyer."

No, it is your opinions that claim fascism is in the foyer, just as it is some on the rights opinions that claim socialism is here. Everything you stated has to be interpreted to support your opinion in order to see fascism is here.

"If you really appreciate 'facts', then you'll answer those questions. Otherwise I'll be happy to write you off as clueless."

I happily answered them, but something tells me that since I dare disagree with your opinions of what "is really going on," you will write the facts off anyways.

The Doctor. (16,189 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

13. Your detachment from and ignorance of reality is noted.

Everywhere you have disagreed, you have deliberately ignored the trends and treated each as a snapshot. You have also used the very typical rightwing tactic of trying to create 'false parity' with lines like "they both do it". That's like saying a jaywalker and Hitler are 'both criminals'. Also, you've deliberately ignored the pretense that we're talking about 'Republican actors', not 'constituencies'.

Add to that your complete ignorance of events in Florida and Ohio, and I suspect you haven't done a minute of real research.

We're obviously done here. 

kctim (3,247 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

17. As facts would prove you right, then yea, we are obviously done

The "trends" you see are based only on your opinion, an opinion when one gets when they look at a snapshot instead of the whole picture.

Great, the 'typical rightwing tactic' accusation when someone doesn't take your opinion as fact. Have heard it before and am sure will hear it again.

Your opinion is even less valid if we are only talking about "republican actors" not republicans themselves.

Complete ignorance of events in Florida and Ohio? As I said before, I have done research, but I may have missed the latest news. So please tell me about the factual investigation that I missed and all the facts it found that support your opinion.

The Doctor. (16,189 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

20. They do, but you will ignore them.

Because you don't give a damn about facts.

You have done no 'research' on OH or FL, otherwise you would not be so convinced that there was not election fraud on a massive scale. No one who has done more than a few hours of research could ever honestly say that. That would mean there is only one other explanation.

The attempt to create false parity is very much a 'typical right wing tactic', just like telling someone that the only reason they point that out is 'because they disagree with you'. That's a very common wingnut tactic. I can't count the number of times I've seen it employed. So why do you do that?

It is not merely my 'opinion' that the media legitimizes morons like Palin, nor is it merely an 'opinion' that she is a moron. What those are called are 'well-founded opinions'. You seem to have a great deal of difficulty understanding how valid opinions are formed. It sometimes requires that a large number of 'facts' are processed and correlated in order to arrive at something which is 'true' but not necessarily a 'fact'.

You are playing the game of being ignorant of this process in order to set too high a bar to become 'convinced'... which you really have no intention of being anyhow.

I'll give you an example: "The Sun is Hot". Is that an 'opinion' or a 'fact'? It is an opinion. It is also a truth, but it is not a 'fact' because 'hot' is relative.

That you refuse to acknowledge that Republicans and their discernible agenda fall more into each of the 14 categories than that of Democrats, and that you refuse to acknowlege that things have been trending more towards those points than away speaks more to your intent than your ignorance.

So, what would it take for you to acknowledge any of them?

Isn't it cute how NOT believing elections were stolen has now become a cause for denouncement?

kctim (3,247 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

22. Then you should have no problem proving me wrong

Man, your panties are really in a bunch over this.

I have done research and there are no facts from an official investigation that support your opinion of what you think happened or want to have happened. If there is, please provide them and I will admit I am wrong.

I point out false accusations and name-calling when people fall back on them when they get upset that the facts do not support their opinion. It is a common tactic for those who are so partisan that they choose not to accept the facts.

Your "well-founded opinions" of Palin are based on the fact that she holds different beliefs and values than you do, nothing else. This is the exact same thing behind the birther movement.
You seem to have a great deal of difficulty understanding just how much your gross partisanship shapes your opinions. I do not do that, facts are facts and credit where credit is due.

I did acknowledge the ones based on facts and I gave my input as to how and why the facts do not show some evil Republican or Democratic plan to change our form of government. I can, and I have, done the same thing with supposed 'trends' that point to us becoming a socialist nation.

The Doctor. (16,189 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

21. Oh, and throw in all the straw men you created...

And you're practically a living manual for wingnut tactics.

I sure hope you're alerting on these so that people can see this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002391645#post4

[GOBUCKS]

Why, after 3000+ posts, would anyone make such a silly suicide run?

[JohnnyReb]

The Doctor

13. YourThe Doctors detachment from and ignorance of reality is noted.

Now, if he'll just pee in a bottle, we can find out why.

[JohnnyReb]

Why, after 3000+ posts, would anyone make such a silly suicide run?

He deserves "The ConservativeCave Medal of Honor" for throwing himself on so many stupid DUmmie handgrenades at once. He gave his all.

[thundley4]

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that
human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need". The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions,
assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

True or False:

Republicans and the 'conservative' media fit this profile.

Obama is definitely guilty, claim him and embrace the Fascist Obama State.  Hell, the DemonRats are guilty of most of the things on the Dorktors list.

[Karin]

He's survived quite a lot so far.  He points out sense to DUmmies here and there, from time to time.  I admire his patience in actually reading The Doctor (who is yes, a huge, gigantic dick).  

[Bondai]

 

[delilahmused]

Somebody's trying to be the living, breathing definition of paranoid! Their side has the White House, Senate, a good portion of the courts, the media (including propaganda put out by Hollywood), education, a president who's taken over banks, the auto industry, student loans (they already failed at housing but are still trying to keep a foothold), health care and now, apparently, religion but the right is trying to clone Mussolini!

Cindie

[JohnnyReb]

He's survived quite a lot so far.  He points out sense to DUmmies here and there, from time to time.  I admire his patience in actually reading The Doctor (who is yes, a huge, gigantic dick).  

Calling him a dick is an insult to men.....needle peter is OK tho.

[jukin]

An insane DUchebag versus a die hard demokrat. I have had several conversations just like that with moonbats around here. It ended the same way, calling me names. This is a microcosm of why Presidebt 0bama is giving up on the traditional blue collar white working person.

Did anyone else see this? Liberals most intolerant of other people's viewpoints.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/13/pew-liberals-most-intolerant-on-line/

looks like Pew Research is racist or at the very least intolerant of intolerance.

[Ballygrl]

An insane DUchebag versus a die hard demokrat. I have had several conversations just like that with moonbats around here. It ended the same way, calling me names. This is a microcosm of why Presidebt 0bama is giving up on the traditional blue collar white working person.

Did anyone else see this? Liberals most intolerant of other people's viewpoints.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/13/pew-liberals-most-intolerant-on-line/

looks like Pew Research is racist or at the very least intolerant of intolerance.

Oh wow! like we didn't know that, too bad they don't see themselves that way.

[miskie]

Gee, a self righteous liberal who denies facts presented when they contradict his opinion. How uncommon. 

[Duke Nukum]

Well done, The Doctor. You are my favorite DUmmie because you are the best mole I have ever seen! I see you've ensnared another liberal in your wily mole trap. Let us all drink a round for The Doctor, our fellow conservative!

 

[JohnnyReb]

All liberals are very open minded...their heads contain only air....there's room for all kinds of crazy shiite in there.

[Duke Nukum]

All liberals are very open minded...their heads contain only air....there's room for all kinds of crazy shiite in there.

On the bright side, they seldom have neck and spine problems.

[thundley4]

On the bright side, they seldom have neck and spine problems.

Kind of hard to have spine problems when they don't have one.

[JohnnyReb]

On the bright side, they seldom have neck and spine problems.

Only when it's time for a disability claim.

[BlueStateSaint]

An insane DUchebag versus a die hard demokrat. I have had several conversations just like that with moonbats around here. It ended the same way, calling me names. This is a microcosm of why Presidebt 0bama is giving up on the traditional blue collar white working person.

Did anyone else see this? Liberals most intolerant of other people's viewpoints.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/13/pew-liberals-most-intolerant-on-line/

looks like Pew Research is racist or at the very least intolerant of intolerance.

I seem to remember that Elton John said that he found that conservatives are far more tolerant people than liberals are.  Matter of fact, one of the very first people to call Elton and his partner on their adoption of a child (can't remember the gender) was Rush Limbaugh.  Stick up that up your assholes, DUmb****s.

[diesel driver]

I seem to remember that Elton John said that he found that conservatives are far more tolerant people than liberals are.  Matter of fact, one of the very first people to call Elton and his partner on their adoption of a child (can't remember the gender) was Rush Limbaugh.  Stick up that up your assholes, DUmb****s.

I believe Sir Elton John sang at Rush and Kathyrn's wedding as well.

[delilahmused]

I believe Sir Elton John sang at Rush and Kathyrn's wedding as well.

Yes he did! Actually, I thought it was awesome that his son's middle name is Levon which next to Tiny Dancer & this song is my absolute favorite. I've seen him in concert several times. The first time was when he was doing the whole gigantic platform shoe thing. It was a real bitch though because my friend Molly had too much No Doz & Annie Greensprings and puked all over my jacket. On the bright side, she pass out several times and each time she fell forward so that about halfway through the concert we ended up right next to the stage. Poor Molly, she ended up being taken out by the medical staff.

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