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Offline rich_t

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Felons
« on: February 28, 2012, 06:14:30 PM »
I saw something on another thread here about not hiring felons.

Now....  It seems that many if not most companies these days won't hire them.  Most of us might nod our heads and agree with such policies.

But...  If a felon has no reasonable chance of being able to have a "life after release" (no way to support themselves, cuz they can't get a job), why don't we just automatically give all felons the death sentence or at least life without possibility of parole?

Why release them back into society? 

How are they expected to feed, cloth and house themselves if nobody will hire them?

Keep in mind that we have laws on the books these days that now make a person a felon, whereas years ago, it was only a misdemeanor crime.



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Re: Felons
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 06:24:01 PM »
In the thread you are referencing I would have to point out the reason they wouldn't hire felons.  That company was sending people into your home, a lot of the time while you were not there.  It would be really hard to convince a homeowner who came home and was missing a diamond ring that your guy didn't take it if they could prove the person in their home was a known felon for say .... stealing.

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Re: Felons
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 06:24:38 PM »
I've applied for several jobs lately, and the same thing has crossed my mind.when I come across that question.
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Re: Felons
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 06:33:51 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on February 28, 2012, 06:24:01 PM
In the thread you are referencing I would have to point out the reason they wouldn't hire felons.  That company was sending people into your home, a lot of the time while you were not there.  It would be really hard to convince a homeowner who came home and was missing a diamond ring that your guy didn't take it if they could prove the person in their home was a known felon for say .... stealing.

KC

I understand that.  I really do.

But I am talking in more general terms.  Your post in the other thread just made me think about it more in depth.
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Re: Felons
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 06:38:46 PM »
For the "most" part...  Once a person has paid their "debt to society", should they once again be afforded their full rights as citizens?


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Re: Felons
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 06:55:16 PM »
I would agree that if a person has served their time they should be allowed back into society. The exception being a violent criminal. I think for the most part armed and violent robbery criminals should not be let out in the first place.   
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Re: Felons
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 08:40:00 PM »
My wife's family has a business where they openly recruit former convicts. But it's hard work, and entry level pay, so they have to go through a lot of them before they find one who is a good worker.

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Re: Felons
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 08:44:48 PM »
We did just fine before this crap happened. A convicted felon is so named for life.
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Re: Felons
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 09:33:11 AM »
"Felon" takes in a whole lot of territory.  I don't think 'Absolutely never' is the right answer, otherwise there is no reason for them ever to leave prison after they've served all their time, and no way to integrate the salvageable ones back into society (And yes, some are truly salvageable, but the ones who aren't serial, career criminals all do eventually get out and if they can't get real work, they'll be nothing but a drain on society and really have no choice but to go back to crime). 

It would depend on things like the nature of the job, what the felony actually was, and how old the person was when it happened vs. how old they are now.
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Re: Felons
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2012, 04:06:55 PM »
I agree DAT.  As I pointed out in the OP:

Keep in mind that we have laws on the books these days that now make a person a felon, whereas years ago, it was only a misdemeanor crime.
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Re: Felons
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2012, 04:18:05 PM »
I see no problem with hiring felons in certain jobs.  When I was a welder I worked side by side with a guy who was a convicted murderer.  I had no problem with it.

I wouldn't hire him to babysit my kids .... but he was a good welder.

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Re: Felons
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2012, 09:58:35 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on February 29, 2012, 04:18:05 PM
I see no problem with hiring felons in certain jobs.  When I was a welder I worked side by side with a guy who was a convicted murderer.  I had no problem with it.

I wouldn't hire him to babysit my kids .... but he was a good welder.

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Re: Felons
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 08:36:27 AM »
Quote from: rich_t on February 28, 2012, 06:38:46 PM
For the "most" part...  Once a person has paid their "debt to society", should they once again be afforded their full rights as citizens?




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Re: Felons
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2012, 08:42:02 AM »
City of Memphis has a 2nd chance program for felons and it's failing miserably. 
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Re: Felons
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2012, 09:40:07 AM »
Quote from: catsmtrods on February 28, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
I would agree that if a person has served their time they should be allowed back into society. The exception being a violent criminal. I think for the most part armed and violent robbery criminals should not be let out in the first place.   

Drug Charges & violent crimes are job killers. Tis a reasonable stance but ultimately leads to more drug charges or violent crime.

I hire em in the construction biz but I also let it be know that although Texas is an employment at will state I add additional subject to their employment. Have only had to send a couple packing.
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Re: Felons
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 09:47:35 AM »
I'm undecided on this.

Is it really so easy to become a convicted felon? Granted, it can take only one arrest, indictment, trial and conviction to wear that mantle for life.

But how many of those convicted felons danced on the edge of the criminal justice system before taking that final plunge into CF status? I'd suggest that a helluva lot of 'em do.

Drug arrests seem to be a huge part of this, and we shouldn't overlook white collar crime.

You have no idea how much I savor the expression, "Martha Stewart -- Convicted Felon."
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Re: Felons
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2012, 04:26:21 PM »
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"You have no idea how much I savor the expression, "Martha Stewart -- Convicted Felon."

She was the Leona Helmsley of the modern day. My dad didn't care for the Helmsley's, didn't like how they conducted business. Years later I learned why. Sometimes what goes around comes around.
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