Prescription drug abuse law

[obumazombie]

Variations on this theme have been around for a long time......decades.......when we lived in New York, drugs scheduled I, II or III were required to have the physician complete a "triplicate" prescription form, which contained the patients SSN and other vital information, which were sent to the state and placed in your personal file (both the NYS DEA and NY Justice Dept.)........all this additional bureaucracy and manpower (as well as taxpayer expense) did NOTHING to reduce illicit prescription abuse.

All of this nonsense just makes physicians reluctant to prescribe needed medications for patients (as in cancer and others) that really need them, for fear that by prescribing them they open themselves up to hassles from bureaucrats and law enforcement.

What I really find amusing is here, in my state there are a number of restrictions placed on patients and pharmacies (not doctors) regarding ID requirements, refills, and how soon a patient can order a refill on scheduled drugs.......however, I can go to a Vet and get a prescription for the same medication, in the exact same dosage, for a dog, and there are no restrictions at all........



doc

You'll get fleas.

[TVDOC]

You guys think the hoops you have to jump through to fill a painkiller script are bad.......around here, try to buy a package of (nonprescription generic) Sudafed........

I'm constantly plagued with a nasal allergy problem, and it's far less paperwork to fill a Schedule II script, than it is to buy a package of friggen Sudafed........I used to have the pharmacy order them in a 500 tablet bulk bottle, they were dirt cheap.....no more......now it's drivers license, SSN, sign a statement of usage, get your photo taken......for 50 tablets.

I place the "War on Drugs" in the same category with TSA airport screening.......lots of taxpayer expense, with very little results.  I certainly don't believe that drugs should be made legal, but if druggies want to kill themselves using them......let them.......seems to me like a win-win, all around.

doc

[thundley4]

Tou guys think the hoops you have to jump through to fill a painkiller script are bad.......around here, try to buy a package of (nonprescription generic) Sudafed........

I'm constantly plagued with a nasal allergy problem, and it's far less paperwork to fill a Schedule II script, than it is to buy a package of friggen Sudafed........I used to have the pharmacy order them in a 500 tablet bulk bottle, they were dirt cheap.....no more......now it's drivers license, SSN, sign a statement of usage, get your photo taken......for 50 tablets.

I place the "War on Drugs" in the same category with TSA airport screening.......lots of taxpayer expense, with very little results.  I certainly don't believe that drugs should be made legal, but if druggies want to kill themselves using them......let them.......seems to me like a win-win, all around.

doc

Illinois requires that for Liquid Plumber.    They also track and limit sudafed purchases.

[Eupher]

I haven't had to get the photo taken, doc, but as I suffer from nasal congestion as well, the hoops are almost as bad.

At your local Walgreen's or CVS, You've got to pick out the OTC meds you want -- but you can't pick out the meds themselves, only a representative card.

Then you have to take the card to the pharmacy window. If the pharmacy's closed, you're f'ed. (That happened to me on our recent cruise. It took two days of suffering to get some f'n medication THAT ACTUALLY WORKS. That other bullshit they sell doesn't work worth a damn. But I digress....)

They punch up some kind of statement thing on the credit card reader and you're expected to read it and hit the x, acknowledging compliance with the bullshit law. Then a place for a signature opens up and you "sign".

The really ridiculous thing is, besides all this bullshit you have to wade through, is that you can legally buy up to 9 grams of pseudoephedrine and related drugs per month, per purchaser.

I can't recall how many MILLIGRAMS of pseudoephedrine there are in a package of, say 20 caps, but it's pretty minimal. I did the math once and I seem to remember being legally entitled to buy 150+ PACKAGES of 20 caps of Sudafed per month -- and DEA won't blink an eye.

But everybody whose head is completely blocked has to go through this dickdance because GWB signed into law the legislation at the link.

Thanks, George. You're another ****ing liberal in sheep's clothing.  

LOC

[Gina]

Weird that, in Arizona, at least the time I had to pick up some fentanyl patches for one of my dogs, I had to sign for the stuff, even though the dog weighed around 20 pounds and whatever pain relief was in there wouldn't have done anything for me.

As a person for whom hydrocodone has been prescribed these past seven years, no, I don't care if my name is in some database.  Tricare already monitors me, and since I'm doing nothing illegal and the drugs are correctly prescribed for legitimate pain issues, I've got nothing to hide.

What truly pisses me off is that drug abuse of legitimate prescriptions of opiates has made doctors more nervous than a cat in a room full of occupied rocking chairs, and the hyper monitoring of my pain relief needs-I have to get a new prescription every month and it's a pain in the ass. 

Anyway, I figure if we chronic pain patients have to be put through our paces so rigorously, same at least should apply to welfare recipients.  I'd like for them to have to submit their grocery bills to some processing/monitoring center so as to make sure they haven't sold their food stamps for dope, booze, whatever.  Also, why should servicemembers be subjected to random urine screening for drugs while welfare recipients don't have to do the same thing.

AWESOME! 

[TVDOC]

I haven't had to get the photo taken, doc, but as I suffer from nasal congestion as well, the hoops are almost as bad.

You don't even know that it's being taken, there's a tiny pinhole camera built into the POS terminal, directly above the credit card reader, and when you hit the "x" for the usage statement, it records your photo in the record that is created when you sign.  I didn't know that either until I was bitching to my neighbor about the procedure (she's the managing pharmacist at our local Walgreens), and she told me about it.......dunno if it's required by the law, but all the big pharmacies (Wallgreens, CVS, Walmart, etal) do it, allegedly to "protect themselves".

At least according to her, the cameras were originally built into the terminals to record photos of pharmacy hold-ups, particularly for those stores that are open all night, and their use was incorporated into the Sudafed procedure.

doc

[Eupher]

You don't even know that it's being taken, there's a tiny pinhole camera built into the POS terminal, directly above the credit card reader, and when you hit the "x" for the usage statement, it records your photo in the record that is created when you sign.  I didn't know that either until I was bitching to my neighbor about the procedure (she's the managing pharmacist at our local Walgreens), and she told me about it.......dunno if it's required by the law, but all the big pharmacies (Wallgreens, CVS, Walmart, etal) do it, allegedly to "protect themselves".

At least according to her, the cameras were originally built into the terminals to record photos of pharmacy hold-ups, particularly for those stores that are open all night, and their use was incorporated into the Sudafed procedure.

doc

Interesting - I did not know that.
There's about 2-3 major drug busts here in this area, taking down meth labs. As you know, it's fairly rural here.

If this law is so effective, why are meth labs still so popular? Rat bastards. GWB ****ed up big time when he signed this POS legislation into law.

[Rugnuts]

you know there was was a lot of "meth" news a few years ago but it has died down recently.
i havent heard of any meth lab or major meth deal busts lately. everything in the news is making new "synthetic" drugs illegal. (synthetic pot, bath salts, etc)

[Eupher]

you know there was was a lot of "meth" news a few years ago but it has died down recently.
i havent heard of any meth lab or major meth deal busts lately. everything in the news is making new "synthetic" drugs illegal. (synthetic pot, bath salts, etc)

Missouri ranks waaaaaay up there (may be #1) with meth labs in the entire country. It's a huge problem here.

[Gina]

Missouri ranks waaaaaay up there (may be #1) with meth labs in the entire country. It's a huge problem here.

so that explains it

[obumazombie]

Missouri ranks waaaaaay up there (may be #1) with meth labs in the entire country. It's a huge problem here.

Show me.

[Gina]

These people kill me!

I had my RF nerve block yesterday.  I left with Roxiecodone 15mgs, Percocet 10mgs, Valium 5mgs.  I did'nt ask for any of that shit.  I am going to fill them and hold them in case I do need them bad in the future and they put me through that hoops shit.

[BEG]

You guys think the hoops you have to jump through to fill a painkiller script are bad.......around here, try to buy a package of (nonprescription generic) Sudafed........

I'm constantly plagued with a nasal allergy problem, and it's far less paperwork to fill a Schedule II script, than it is to buy a package of friggen Sudafed........I used to have the pharmacy order them in a 500 tablet bulk bottle, they were dirt cheap.....no more......now it's drivers license, SSN, sign a statement of usage, get your photo taken......for 50 tablets.

I place the "War on Drugs" in the same category with TSA airport screening.......lots of taxpayer expense, with very little results.  I certainly don't believe that drugs should be made legal, but if druggies want to kill themselves using them......let them.......seems to me like a win-win, all around.

doc

Detour:

This reminds me of the Showtime show Shameless (with William H Macy).  It is my husband and my favorite show. We don't miss a Sunday. It's pretty raunchy and well...shameless.  Anyway the mother of William H Macy's character showed up a couple of episodes ago. Early release from prison, she ran a meth lab. She is a disgusting old lady. She gets out because she is old and ill but starts her meth lab all over again.  She gets her sudafed by going to the drug store in a wheel chair with her young grandson. Has him beg people walking in to the store to buy him sudafed for his ill grandmother. Next scene he is wheeling her back to the house with bags and bags full of sudafed  The meth lab ends up exploding in the basement.

Anyone who liked Weeds will love Shameless. The characters are great but again, it's very raunchy so those that get easily offended, well this show won't be for you.

[Eupher]

Show me.

Correct. It's the state motto. 

Seriously, Google is your friend.

[Gina]

Correct. It's the state motto. 

Seriously, Google is your friend.

http://visitbulgaria.info/16024-missouri-has-highest-number-meth-lab-seizures-usa

Missouri Has Highest Number Of Meth Lab Seizures In USA

They just don't know how to hide 

[vesta111]

Illinois requires that for Liquid Plumber.    They also track and limit sudafed purchases.

Liquid Plumber, got to be kidding me, we have all gone to hell in a hand basket.

I recently read an article on shake and bake drugs that can be made in a bathroom stall at Wilmar's.

Hard to believe this is real but people are getting 3'd degree burns from this practice if not handled correctly.

Life is becoming insane when people will willing reach out and buy these drugs, or people will try to make these drugs in a public bathroom of a store,

What the hell is wrong with people, no jobs, too much time on their hands???

Shit, between the prescription medication and the OTC stuff, we are becoming a nation of Zombies.   

Now the question I have about all these drugs, prescription, OTC or illegal do they interact with the preservatives in our food ???

Some of our fresh vegetables have preservatives like wax on turnips, lately OJ and fruit juices have 4 times the Arsenic then allowed in tap water.

Few things I see canned or frozen do not have some kind of stuff in it to preserve the taste, color or shelf life.   So what is this crap and how will it interact with medication, RX or OTC.

YES, I do have a concern with drugs, both natural and man made.   I am allergic to penicillin and Aureomycin, so far

I found out by accident I cannot add Bean-O to beans as it has something in it that is contraindicated for penicillin allergy's.   

Even if one raises their own chickens for eggs and buys their feed, just look at the food we feed them in the ingredients, darn 5 inches of small print on the sack of bird food of additives in with the corn.

[obumazombie]

Quote from vesta111

Shit, between the prescription medication and the OTC stuff, we are becoming a nation of Zombies.   

You called ?