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Offline Carl

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Religion = Make Believe
« on: February 21, 2012, 04:57:49 PM »
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The Elephant In Santorum's Theological Room: Religion = Make Believe

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 When is someone going to have the balls to say it? Religion is make believe, as is the theology based on the make believe.

We're now at the point where Santorum can allege without challenge that science that is based on evidence - tons of evidence - is somehow phony, while there is a "science" in the Bible that is in direct opposition to real science, and that this "Biblical science (sic)" is absolutely true based on faith, and by treating fantasy as if it were fact.

And he's not challenged on this ludicrous assumption because in this country we mistake religious freedom with a freedom to hold absolutely stupid ideas and not have them challenged because they're religious ideas. Indeed, we mistake religious freedom for being a person's right to pass laws that make the rest of us live under the rules of their fantasy world.

Why? Because we can't upset the delicate sensibilities of the religious, who cling to their childish fantasies of talking snakes, zombies roaming the Earth and people coming back from the dead. We're allowed to call anything and everything in this country stupid, from political beliefs to what sports teams we champion, but when it comes to religion, we have to walk on eggs and bite our tongues because religious freedom is allowed under the Constitution.

There is no way that any religious claim can be proven to be true by any objective measure. There's probably more evidence available to prove the existence of werewolves and fairies. Yet, we act like there IS evidence, when there isn't even any objective evidence to prove that any of the great religious figures like Moses and Jesus even existed.

So when the religious dialogue erupts as it always does when the Republics are floundering, we fight the fight with one hand tied behind our back, because for every single FACT that we can advance to make our case, the religious person can come back with a total fiction and aver that it is a fact because their religion treats fantasy as fact. And we're supposed to shuffle our feet and nod in "you're welcome to your belief" agreement.

Perhaps we've reached the point where we can no longer afford to treat at all seriously the conceit that is religious belief. Perhaps we need to be quite clear that having the freedom to believe what you will does not confer a shred of truth or fact to those beliefs. Perhaps the religious are just going to have to grow up and deal with others calling their beliefs what they are, ie: no more based in reality than is a belief in Zeus or Santa Claus.

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2. how could he ever sit down with foreign leaders

of different religions, especially Muslims? Aren't they all satans to him?

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Politicalboi (5,644 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. I totally agree

It's time to take religion out of our government. Religion has NO facts. It's ALL man made stories. I can't believe we have put up with this shit. They have only gotten stronger as the years go by. Their numbers are smaller, but the media is there for them, and our government is there for them. I am hoping this push they have going will turn many voters off. And many should question an organization that allows pedophiles to roam free, to fix their own problems before causing more. And take the tax breaks away from ALL religious organizations.

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8. holly man-made constructs appearing nowhere but our own imaginations.

"Religion is make believe..."
So is philosophy-- wholly man-made constructs appearing nowhere but our own imaginations.

Regardless, religion has no place in a debate regarding science. It's as absurd as Lysenkoism.

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10. Thank you for taking the time to express logic and clear thinking in your writing

The validity of your premise will light the way, no matter how many among us are capable of comprehending it. I feel sorry for any person who embraces the tenets of any faith or tradition as a philosophy of life or of living. And correspondingly when any person attempts to thrust their faiths or traditions upon the life that is mine, it will cause me to resist in any way that I possibly can, be it blatant or covert. However horrible unsanitorum's fate in life may end up being, I am sure that he will be deserving of it. Kind of reminds me of huckaboo, only with the addition of incense and holy water....er, make that just incense.

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12. At some point, the science side is going to have to play rough

Religion gets a free ride, because 'freedom of religion' allows people to practice their faith-based beliefs, no matter how loony they are. The only time the law has ever stepped in to curtail religious practices has been when substances the law wanted to prohibit are part of a religious practice (e.g. wine, ganja, peyote).

But civilization is coming to a point where science really DOES have the answer, and religions can and should be compelled to drop their bullshit. Children of nutcase parents have been saved not by Jesus, but the state stepping in and ruling that the child be treated with a blood transfusion.

Scientists know that their truth is only as good as the next experiment that might require them to revise a theory, so they tend not to be as forceful in their argument as the faith-based bozo who is absolutely sure of what he believes. Once the scientific consensus passes the 95% confidence limit, there needs to be a way to shut religion out of the picture, and too bad for them.

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14. Somebody had to say it

I mean, really, "Serve one another in love"? As if! Talk about a man-made philosophy that's a sure-fire recipe for all the worst in the human species. "Love keeps no account of wrongs." Yeah, ****ing airy-fairy tale right there, and anyone stupid enough to fall for that has no place in our modern society. And probably the worst of all, "Love rejoices in the truth" and "There is no greater love than this, that a person lay down his or her life for others." Dammitall if that just doesn't make the blood boil.

So glad to have a thread dedicated to FACT like this, totally free of bigotry, prejudice and zealotry, because otherwise one of our faultless juries or infallible moderators would lock it.

Nobody catches the sarcasm.  :rotf:

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15. Well put

I frankly don't trust anyone who claims to be religious. THEY'LL BELIEVE ANYTHING!

Someday ... someday...

You should go to the Reason Rally on March 24. It's always refreshing to be around like-minded people, but not brainwashed like-minded people.

They bow to their true master.
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2012, 05:04:58 PM »
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... because religious freedom is allowed under the Constitution.

Cutting out all the other noise, this is what gets under their skin.

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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2012, 05:07:10 PM »
stop bush, sweetie, ya know what? I'd write to the DNC and insist they say Religion is make believe, demand that Obama say that, say it in public of course!
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2012, 05:24:36 PM »
Utopian Socialist Paradise = Make Believe = Hundreds of Millions Dead + Billions in misery.
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2012, 05:27:18 PM »
Never fails to amuse me how much these people get their panties in a wad over something they don't believe in.
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2012, 05:31:41 PM »
Quote from: Carl on February 21, 2012, 04:57:49 PM
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Nobody catches the sarcasm.  :rotf:

They bow to their true master.

Which is what imbecility? The thought never crosses their mind what others believe in is none of their damn business! DU, livin' proof the Indian ****ed the buffalo!
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2012, 05:54:12 PM »
Global Warming(TM) = Make Believe
Marxism = Make Believe
DU's "Reality Based Community" = Make Believe
Nadin = Make Believe
Bouncies = Make Believe
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2012, 06:16:35 PM »
Quote from: Duke Nukum on February 21, 2012, 05:54:12 PM
Global Warming(TM) = Make Believe
Marxism = Make Believe
DU's "Reality Based Community" = Make Believe
Nadin = Make Believe
Bouncies = Make Believe

Dummie said, "When is someone going to have the balls to say it?Religion Global warming is make believe, as is the theology evidence based on the make believe.
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2012, 06:29:03 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on February 21, 2012, 06:16:35 PM
Dummie said, "When is someone going to have the balls to say it?Religion Global warming is make believe, as is the theology evidence based on the make believe.

Globull Warming, "Father (or Mother) Government", healing white light, pictures of hands, healing vibrations, Scientology, positive energies, crystals, pyramids, Trancendental Meditation, good thoughts, ESP(N), etc.;  ALL "religions" of the left.

And they have the gall to call US "stupid".   :lmao:   :lol:
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2012, 06:37:54 PM »
Quote from: diesel driver on February 21, 2012, 06:29:03 PM
Globull Warming, "Father (or Mother) Government", healing white light, pictures of hands, healing vibrations, Scientology, positive energies, crystals, pyramids, Trancendental Meditation, good thoughts, ESP(N), etc.;  ALL "religions" of the left.

And they have the gall to call US "stupid".   :lmao:   :lol:

What does a sports network have to do with it?  :tongue: :-)
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2012, 06:43:20 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on February 21, 2012, 06:37:54 PM
What does a sports network have to do with it?  :tongue: :-)

I stuck the "N" on there for "S & G".     :lmao:
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 06:56:29 PM »
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2012, 07:06:40 PM »


Take a trip down memory lane.


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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2012, 07:09:58 PM »
Quote from: LC EFA on February 21, 2012, 05:27:18 PM
Never fails to amuse me how much these people get their panties in a wad over something they don't believe in.
You're not supposed to point that out. ::)
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2012, 07:18:04 PM »
Quote from: zeitgeist on February 21, 2012, 07:06:40 PM

Take a trip down memory lane.


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How say ye now DUmmies, how say ye know?

Did she say it was "Ash Wednesday", or "ASS Wednesday"?
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2012, 09:18:33 AM »
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The Elephant In Santorum's Theological Room: Religion = Make Believe

When is someone going to have the balls to say it? Religion is make believe, as is the theology based on the make believe.

This, DUmmies, is why your good friends, the muslims, will cut your ****ing heads off long before they ever look at Rick Santorum or any other Christian.
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Re: Religion = Make Believe
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2012, 09:23:26 AM »
Religion is make-believe, but liberal policies really do work in the real world.

Tell me who the delusional fool is, DUmmy.
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