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GM eliminates traditional pensions for salaried workers

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General Motors Co. is eliminating traditional pensions for all U.S. salaried employees, but the automaker is softening the blow by giving all salaried workers an extra week of vacation.

The company said that it would also announce bonuses for its approximately 26,000 U.S. salaried workers during its 2011 earnings call on Thursday. Those bonuses will be tied to GM's global performance.

GM also said it will give pay increases to workers with critical skills this year, but said there would be no across-the-board raises.

"These changes, I believe, really permit employees to share in the success of the business, while at the same time supporting our ability to be profitable, to strengthen our balance sheet and to reduce risk," said Cindy Brinkley, vice president of global human resources for GM. "We're really improving GM's ability to grow profitably." ................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120215/AUTO0103/202150397/GM-move-all-salaried-workers-401-k-plans?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE



But cut pensions for UNION jobs...and that's WAR.


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Sounds like a great incentive for any remaining engineering/management talent to flee GM, if a f*ckin' week of vacation* is all they get for losing a benefit that big.  No profit sharing arrangement, stock options in lieu of the defined benefit?  F that.
 
*Which, as salaried workers, they probably get hosed out of anyway.
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Yeah, I'd jump ship too.  I would have a long time ago.   DUmmies may think that "salaried" means some huge and handsome salary.  It's not.  It's more like in the $45K range.  For that, we are expected to work unpaid overtime, and all that.  A pension is a nice compsation for that, and I think it's shitty it was swiped from all of them.  Part of Obama's plan, which started with screwing the bondholders, against all rule of law? 

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8. When we were in contract negotiations my supervisor used to beg us to hold out for a better contract

Because whatever improvements we negotiated in pay and benefits supervision always got a little more. Us union workers were setting the pattern for what our supervisors made.

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Sounds like a great incentive for any remaining engineering/management talent to flee GM, if a f*ckin' week of vacation* is all they get for losing a benefit that big.  No profit sharing arrangement, stock options in lieu of the defined benefit?  F that.
 
*Which, as salaried workers, they probably get hosed out of anyway.

The salaried and executive pension system at GM is completely separate from the hourly system.  It's self-funded, and held in a separate and non-related trust.  Current funding levels are at 106% of projected long-term liabilities for the next thirty years.  It's very small compared to the hourly system, in number of participants......and the contribution level is high (in dollars).  The move is kinda a no-brainer, it's very close to a 401K in structure now, and always has been......the difference being that as a "contributory pension" system it was never subject to the federal limits on employee contribution levels, which averaged 20%.....far higher than allowed in a 401K.

This move is good for GM's long-term health, but is not surprising considering the fact that the UAW not only owns a big chunk of GM stock, and they occupy several seats on the board.

The hourly pension plan is already administered by the UAW, who handles payroll deductions, and provides the matching funds out of their own revenues since the bankruptcy.  It was either the union takes responsibility for them or loose them altogether.

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...the UAW not only owns a big chunk of GM stock, but they occupy several seats on the board.

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The salaried and executive pension system at GM is completely separate from the hourly system.  It's self-funded, and held in a separate and non-related trust.  Current funding levels are at 106% of projected long-term liabilities for the next thirty years.  It's very small compared to the hourly system, in number of participants......and the contribution level is high (in dollars).  The move is kinda a no-brainer, it's very close to a 401K in structure now, and always has been......the difference being that as a "contributory pension" system it was never subject to the federal limits on employee contribution levels, which averaged 20%.....far higher than allowed in a 401K.

This move is good for GM's long-term health, but is not surprising considering the fact that the UAW not only owns a big chunk of GM stock, but they occupy several seats on the board.

The hourly pension plan is already administered by the UAW, who handles payroll deductions, and provides the matching funds out of their own revenues since the bankruptcy.  It was either the union takes responsibility for them or loose them altogether.

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Not a good deal from a salaried worker's view, was my point.  Good for GM long-term, in a strictly accounting sense, well, you could make that argument, but even as you describe it, the effect on GM's fiscal health from this change would be neglible, a lot like polishing the brightwork on the Titanic as it slides beneath the waves.  When you look at their real problem, the massive liability of UAW pensions and benefits for the wage workers, all this really does is completely sever any remaining financial incentive for a salaried employee to stay with GM over that long term, which itself will affect GM's long-term health.

Contrary to what raiders and fund junkies think, there is a lot more to fostering a productive enterprise climate with a healthy future outlook than buying and selling talent like it was a supply.  You certainly need to have a flux of people with new insights and ways coming through, and the ability to move deadwood out, but you also need longevity and institutional memory, which requires some reason for people to stick around.  Ironically, the one area where the model of labor-as-a-supply really does work is the assembly line, and that's exactly where GM can't use it because the UAW owns their asses.  It is also unfortunately a model that Congress and Democrat Presidents periodically try to apply to DOD, generally with disastrous results.
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UAW gives the shaft to non UAW employees.

I can't wait for the NLRB to put a stop[ to this.
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CNN has a somewhat different take on the story, not as screwy as what DUmmie Marmar clipped and posted, btw.  There is a 401K system for all the salaried workers, and new salaried employees were not getting a pension anyway for some time; what the change supposedly does is to kill any further addition to the pension, freezing benefits for those already eligible but without any further increase in value.  Newer salaried employees didn't get it anyway, just the 401K. 

Still, seems like one less reason to stay on board if one has any other options. 
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Not a good deal from a salaried worker's view, was my point.  Good for GM long-term, in a strictly accounting sense, well, you could make that argument, but even as you describe it, the effect on GM's fiscal health from this change would be negligible, a lot like polishing the brightwork on the Titanic as it slides beneath the waves.  When you look at their real problem, the massive liability of UAW pensions and benefits for the wage workers, all this really does is completely sever any remaining financial incentive for a salaried employee to stay with GM over that long term, which itself will affect GM's long-term health.

Contrary to what raiders and fund junkies think, there is a lot more to fostering a productive enterprise climate with a healthy future outlook than buying and selling talent like it was a supply.  You certainly need to have a flux of people with new insights and ways coming through, and the ability to move deadwood out, but you also need longevity and institutional memory, which requires some reason for people to stick around.  Ironically, the one area where the model of labor-as-a-supply really does work is the assembly line, and that's exactly where GM can't use it because the UAW owns their asses.  It is also unfortunately a model that Congress and Democrat Presidents periodically try to apply to DOD, generally with disastrous results.

GM has been moving in this direction for twenty years, through early retirements, and salaried cutbacks.  Any sense of corporate/employee loyalty disappeared long ago.  The lack of institutional memory is what led to their ultimate downfall, particularly after the EDS, and then Hughes acquisitions.  They forced out all the salaried employees that actually knew something about building and marketing vehicles, and as those operating units became more and more unprofitable, they focused their efforts on trying to be a bank (GMAC), and an insurance company (MIC), which were profitable.

The remaining people were rather heavily represented by young MBA's that were only focused on the days share price, and next quarters earnings report.....not designing and building cars and trucks.  As their market penetration plummeted they attempted to take up the slack with overseas operations, until that fell apart with several recessions in both Europe and the Pacific.  Joint ventures with both Toyota and Isuzu went from being an asset to an anchor around their necks, then the interest rates began to fall, which doomed the banking side of their revenue stream, which they stupidly tried to use to prop up lagging vehicle sales through incentives, etc., until that coffer ran dry.....

To summarize, they failed the primary test of a successful large-cap business.....stick to your knitting.....and envisioned themselves as a worldwide diversified conglomerate that just happened to build automobiles.....until they ran out of rope.....

Caving to the UAW, instead of locking them out, and setting a new cost/benefit standard just hastened that demise.

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To summarize, they failed the primary test of a successful large-cap business.....stick to your knitting.....and envisioned themselves as a worldwide diversified conglomerate that just happened to build automobiles.....until they ran out of rope.....

Can't argue with that, and they are hardly the first large American corp to stomp on their wieners in that particular manner.  I doubt they'll be the last, hubris being the occupational disease of both executives and investors.
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To summarize, they failed the primary test of a successful large-cap business.....stick to your knitting.....and envisioned themselves as a worldwide diversified conglomerate that just happened to build automobiles.....until they ran out of rope.....

To me GM was primarily a pension and health care provider that lost money on the cars they built.
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To me GM was primarily a pension and health care provider that lost money on the cars they built.

Sort of, at the end.....however, they could cover that burden if they kept market penetration up, through innovation and quality.....the auto business is all about volume......unfortunately through a long series of abysmally poor management decisions, GM went from 66% of the US market, down to 16%, in the short period of 25 years......survivable only by slashing costs, which they didn't.....they attempted to offset revenue lost through vehicular sales by moving into diversified areas where they had no expertise......

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