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Re: OWS isn't a Relevant Movement to Change Society
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2012, 08:55:44 AM »
Well, that is the problem with "Leaderless movements" or "Leaderless resistance," there is nobody who can actually tell them to dial it back a couple of notches when the opportunists, dumbshits, and thugs move in, because they really are as much a part of it as anyone else, and have just as much of a claim to be "Leading" it as any marginally-saner heads.  In that kind of situation, only those who are perceived to be currently doing things get the spotlight and so can speak persuasively to the others in it.  The inherent dynamic runs completely counter to patience, cohesion, or the long game.  Entropy and chaos are its natural course.
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Re: OWS isn't a Relevant Movement to Change Society
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2012, 12:27:10 PM »
"They honestly believe that regular working people are talking about "the 99%" , that OWS had more than a couple of thousand participants worldwide , that OWS is even remotely comparable to the civil rights movement and that they've achieved even one of their vast array of incoherent goals."
Yeah.
At this point, not even most of the Occupiers themselves would compare what they're doing to the Civil Rights Movement.
Another big point (Though it ties into the "Lack of discipline" point that the OP made) is that you can tell the Occupiers don't even take their own movement that seriously. With Gandhi and King's respective movements, they had clear, specific goals that they regularly communicated to everyone, including the politicians that would listen. The Occupiers have no such clear, specific goals. When asked, most just degenerate into incoherent babbling about "The 1%" and "Corporate greed," without communicating anything of substance. Others just say something like "The fact that you ask us if we have goals just means you don't get our movement and probably never will, maaaan!" In fact, the NY politicians even gave them an opportunity to openly state their demands a few months back by asking the Occupoopers to send a representative to meet with them and negotiate their terms. The Occupoopers responded by sending a dog as their representative. It probably gave the dope- addled freaks a few laughs, but it made everyone else see them as what they truly are: A bunch of deranged, spoiled children (Regardless of their ages) who really don't know what the hell they're doing and don't take their own movement seriously at all, so there's no reason for us to take them seriously either.

Well, that is the problem with "Leaderless movements" or "Leaderless resistance," there is nobody who can actually tell them to dial it back a couple of notches when the opportunists, dumbshits, and thugs move in, because they really are as much a part of it as anyone else, and have just as much of a claim to be "Leading" it as any marginally-saner heads.  In that kind of situation, only those who are perceived to be currently doing things get the spotlight and so can speak persuasively to the others in it.  The inherent dynamic runs completely counter to patience, cohesion, or the long game.  Entropy and chaos are its natural course.
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