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Offline Aristotelian

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Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« on: January 05, 2012, 10:59:24 AM »
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Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?

When Bush came out and stated that he had the right to have American citizens declared enemy combatant and held indefinitely, we here on DU screamed bloody hell at this unconstitutional outrage, and rightfully so.

Funny though, when a Democratic President signs a bill that codifies these powers into law, many here not only support the action, but defend it as well.

The NDAA of 2012 does just that, it allows the president to have anybody, citizen or not, seized and held for an indefinite length of time. Yes, Obama promised that he wouldn't use this power, but is that really any comfort? Promises mean nothing to politicians, and even if Obama does keep this one, he has still opened the way for future such abuses by future presidents. Think if Santorum acquired this power, or Romney, or Newt, or. . .

The sad thing is, Obama doesn't even seem that reluctant about breaking that promise of his.
"One official explained that President Obama does believe, however, that American citizens can be temporarily detained, and that the military has the right to capture and hold any citizen who is engaged in conflict against the United States. If various provisions in the law prove unworkable, the president could go back to Congress to ask for changes."
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/with-reservations-obama-signs-act-to-allow-detention-of-citizens/

So the question becomes this; why should I support or vote for somebody, anybody, who signs this kind of legislation? Why should I support or vote for a candidate who continues to tear up the Constitution? The lesser of two evils argument is getting mighty thin, truly. I should vote for a candidate who signs the law into being, but promises not to use it, never mind the weapon he is putting into the hands of future presidents? I think not.

One of the foremost duties of a president is to defend and uphold the Constitution. I didn't support Bush when he shredded the Constitution, neither did most Dems. Why should I support Obama when he also shreds the Constitution?

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1. Because O said he wouldn't use this power & the other side is worse.

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Thu Jan 5, 2012, 02:44 AM
 FreakinDJ (12,466 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

42. So we can shred the constitution here so they won't shred it over there

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Thu Jan 5, 2012, 02:59 PM
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147. And who better to shred the Constitution than a constitutional scholar?

~sigh.

Oh dear, is CrispyQ casting aspersions on the Dear Leader's claim to be a great scholar?

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16. The signing statement makes it impossible for American citizens to be held indefinitely

Of course the next Republican president could always ignore that signing statement. Your duty as a citizen who respects civil rights is to now do everything in your power to insure no Republican is ever elected president again. Anything less by you means that YOU are trampling on the rights of your fellow citizens. That is why you should endorse, vote for, phone bank and endorse for every democrat that runs for president from this day forward.

Looks like WonderGrunion is a constitutional scholar almost of the same greatness as Pres. Obama.



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Re: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 11:12:46 AM »
Teir NO votes on this bill is the only time that I have ever agreed with senators Boxer and Feinstein.
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Re: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2012, 11:13:11 AM »
Obama continues to surpass President Bush in terms of eroding civil rights, but the DUmmies continue to make excuses or to claim the other side is worse.  They are too damn stooooopid and blind to see that Obama is using their hatred of conservative ideas against them.
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Re: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 11:15:32 AM »
The reason why you, a member of one of the smarterest message boards on all the Inerwebz, will vote for Teh Obamessiah is because the DU commands you to.

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Re: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 11:36:30 AM »
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147. And who better to shred the Constitution than a constitutional scholar?
I must have missed it when his transcripts were released.

As far as I know, he's just an alien beneficiary of the "affirmative action" bullshit, and a race-baiting product of the Chicago democrat machine.
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Re: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 11:47:28 AM »
Old Libtard friends are upset about this as well.  For once I agree with them.  I would like the first three detainees to be Obama, McCain, and Levin.  Just throw away the key.   
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Re: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 12:01:21 PM »
So much to say, so many quotes.  I must have copied 10 post.. but this just struck me.

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12. He's the lesser of 2 evils.

That's the only reason. If we don't vote for Obama, we'll surely end up with something even worse. No real choice.

You want more choice, real choice. You might want a government that is responsive to the needs and rights of the population.

Sorry the hard truth is that no longer exists. Obama supports unlimited government power to detain but promises not to use it. That might be the best we can get.

It's hard for us to accept because for a while there in the 20th Century we seemed to have a real popular democracy and real rights, and people took it for granted a little bit, and they got scared because of terror, and now what we had is gone.

We still have more freedom than if we lived in China or Cuba or Iran. So that's something I guess.

What's sad is, it's their own party that erodes their rights and freedoms... yet they sit by and nearly beg for them to do it.  I know a lot of these DUmmies would be happy with a Socialist/Communist like government, but I think many of them would be pretty disappointed in what they got when they realized what it really was.  When they realized if they tried an "Occupy" anything they would be shipped to Re-education camps if not just taken somewhere and shot to death....  Sorry Ramble/off
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Re: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 01:02:07 PM »
We will have all the TV shows, commentators, and comedians tearing into this like they did with the Patriot Act any minute now.......oh who am I kidding? This will never be brought up by the people on Law and Order SVU or NCIS. ( Are those show still on? )
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Re: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 01:05:29 PM »
The Won said he wouldn't use signing statements either... So how is that working DUmbasses? He broke that promise, so he'd have no problem ignoring this one.

And I'm pretty sure it was a Democrat President that put people in camps in the early 40s...
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Re: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 02:33:27 PM »
F*#kin Idiots!!!!
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