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nadinbrzezinski (99,967 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail IgnoreOh Foreign Revolutions and the American OWSOk I am going to reach for the tinfoil hat for a second. After all CANADA wants to destabilize the United States. What is my evidence? Well Ad Busters, a Canadian Magazine... bought the domain name Occupywallstreet. org. It gets worst. The logo of the ballerina on top of the bull, pure Canadian agitrop. All those Occupiers are the tools of... the CANADIAN government. (And I forgot George Soros... no serious he is tied to them through the TIDES foundation. RUN!) Does this sound over the top? Yup. Does it contain some actual facts? Absolutely. Adbusters did buy the domain name, did call for the occupations and did design the logo of OWS... and yes the Tides foundation is connected to Adbusters through magazine subscriptions. Why am I bringing this up? We have had a series of revolutions in the Arab World. And people think that all these have all to do with the CIA hiding behind every rock (wich they do)... they discount that in fact there are LOCAL forces that have led to LOCAL youth using means to try to free themselves from bad, in fact very repressive, governments. In fact, they are risking more than many of our occupiers (so far). But this is why the argument that we are behind every revolt and trying to move it in our direction or benefit is a tad ridiculous. Will we try to manipulate all events? Is the pope catholic? Will other countries do the same? Does the sun rise in the East? In the world of real politik that is a reality. But to claim that all these revolutions are ready made by PNAC because PNAC has a plan of world domination flies in the face of facts. Yes PNAC does have a plan, yes the CIA (and MI-6 and MOSSAD, and all other intel agencies) hide behind rocks and TRY their hardest to MANAGE events. But things are far grayer than just they are there. If not, well then, when are we invading Canada for destabilizing the United States?
tabatha (16,075 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore1. PNAC would be behind invasions where they get something back for their effort.Like Iraq - where there were no protesters in the streets. Where PNAC/Bush could inflict "Shock and Awe" and kill over 100,000 Iraqis, and get oil contracts. The oil fields of Iraq were divided up before 9/11, and PNAC used the 9/11 attack to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. And PNAC people are upset that Obama (not-PNAC) has withdrawn from Iraq. PNAC somehow forgot to invade Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Bahrain and Syria, all of which have had genuine uprisings. Unlike Iraq which did not have a revolution started by locals. The Libyan effort was the first implementation of R2P (not PNAC) because of the guilt of standing by during Rwanda. Bob Gates (PNAC?) does not want to see another boots on the ground by US troops in the ME ever again and DID NOT support the Libyan action, even though it was not boots on the ground. Obama supported the UN resolution, where even China and Russia abstained, but handed it over to NATO asap. NATO got out as soon as they could, even though Jalil wanted them to stay until Dec31. (Most people compare this effort to Kosovo, hardly a PNAC affair because Clinton was criticized by typical PNACers for it.) If Russia abstains over Syria, there will probably be some kind of effort by NATO to stop the bloodshed in Syria. Otherwise, the world will just stand helplessly by as Assad, who signed onto the Arab League agreement, violated it from the first hour. Yes, the conspirators will say there were boots on the ground in Libya. There were advisors from Qatar on the ground helping the Libyans, and there were some from the UK. However, the Libyans did the fighting themselves as they adamantly wanted to. And at the end of the uprising, just a half dozen American boots eventually made it to the ground in Libya to the embassy, as happens at all embassies all over the world. (And the Libyans are now bitching about the influence of Qatar, and want them out. Some takeover.) It appears that the conspirator's rules are: any foreign intervention or help for people being massacred, whether Arab or not = PNAC any dictator opposing such help = good and loved by others. no matter the slaughter that he ordered any problems after the end of the revolution = the revolution was wrong But, but, but - the usual PNAC suspects thought Obama failed in the Libyan conflict - he should have used more military might including boots on the ground, and it would have ended in weeks not months. The usual PNAC suspects are also complaining about the withdrawal of the troops from Iraq. So the PNACers are criticizing Obama - it can only mean that Obama is not a PNACer.
nadinbrzezinski (99,967 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore2. So the PNACers are criticizing Obama - it can only mean that Obama is not a PNACer. I got an answer to that one though... that hat is really getting tingly... I need to do something about it. He is a DEMOCRAT AND BLACK (And there is some evidence to that, but that is another story) But as I said, I used the same exact logic and ignored certain facts... to make my case for Canadian intervention. I think it is important to point them out. Adbusters, unless there is something really nefarious going on that I am not aware off... is a PRIVATE COMPANY and not tied to the Canadian government beyond paying taxes that is. So if they are a front company for CSIS, well then I will eat my shoe. (Alphabet soup, Canadian Security and Intelligence Service, yup their CIA\FBI... it gets weird)
nadinbrzezinski (99,967 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore... It gets worst.
In fact, they are risking more than many of our occupiers (so far).
And people think that all these have all to do with the CIA hiding behind every rock (wich they do
