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Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« on: December 18, 2011, 11:02:56 PM »
Maybe it's just my nearly on three decades in hospital nursing, but I've never seen anything disgusting or shameful about a matter-of-fact treatment, viewing or examination of a dead body, at least not as long as there's no carnival or otherwise disrespectful atmosphere being generated. Death is as natural as birth or any other part of the lifecycle. It has long been accepted as part of a holistic approach to nursing that it is perfectly healthy, therapeutic even, if the parents and family of a miscarried child spend some time with it, take pictures or video, have children there with it, and so forth, not only as part of the grieving process, but in religious terms also the commendation of a new soul to God. As long as it is comfortable for those involved it is not a problem.

DUmmies however, for all their claims of tolerance, enlightenment, scientific detachment and lust for social evolution, are curiously taken aback by such a visual. Their revulsion at such a tableau as that described above takes on an almost, dare I say, "primitive" aspect of fear of the supernatural, the bad ju-ju, the taboo. The origins of such revulsion are, I would guess, threefold:

First, it's the Duggars. I mean, what's not to hate about the Duggars? White, conservative, popular, financially secure, lot of kids, and worst of all, Christian. They practically have a liberal hate magnet stuck to the center of their foreheads.

Secondly, DUmmies recoil at the thought of death because it reminds them of their own mortality, and seeing as how most of them are atheists with nothing to look forward to except being eaten by worms after a brief, pitiless and unsung existence, it's not something comforting to dwell upon.

Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, they hate images of dead fetuses being in the public eye. They don't like people seeing how much more they resemble a human being than a "parasite". People might actually start getting the idea that abortion isn't just a choice, that it ends a human life. Strange that they so joyously celebrate 50,000,000 such deaths and at the same time are sickened and outraged by the graphic image of even one.

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reality people won't keep private? not just the Duggars - but all the folks living off realty TV money - Kardashians, etc... Births, miscarriages, illnesses... it's all put out there for reality tv ratings, fame and money.2

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5. SICK

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14. picture of her fingers holding tiny feet and hands

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3. The public feeds them by responding to their need for attention

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7. Disgusting.

No other words are needed.

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21. Duggars posted it themselves

that was my first reaction to this. I would not put it past them. They are really all about the MONEY.

How does the picture make them money? Are they selling autographed copies?

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16. They actually DID ask for privacy when she first miscarried

I guess they decided that there was no MONEY in privacy when you live your life on TV..

Grifters...

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18. Proof this is a Famewhore Quiverfull Stunt

This isn't Michelle's first miscarriage, yet it is the first miscarried fetus they've named, counted as one of their children, and had a memorial service/memorial photos for. Of course, prior miscarriages were BEFORE their Quiverfull Fundie Propaganda show.

Also, they pay zero taxes, since their home and land is incorporated as a church. In addition, they get tens of thousands of dollars tax credit for their children.

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29. Exactly -- if these were cats or dogs

They would be brought up on charges and the animals seized.

Michelle does not raise any of the children. She keeps the baby until it's weaned, then passes it on. All the girls do everything, the boys little, and they are "homeschooled" for less than an hour a day, using a curriculum which literally is based on craziness and obsolete ideals and mores (one example: Jesus and his followers lived among dinosaurs).

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22. They are doing it deliberately as an anti-choice statement.

The hands and feet would be the most "normal" looking parts of a fetus who was only 20 weeks along...they are trying to put visuals to the "it's a baby, not a choice" slogan. And it's working.

People on a non-political message board I post at kept making comments like "I think these photos should remind people that this was a child, some don't think so until a certain month, and that it should be treated as such and not a "clump of cells" waiting to become a child."

Now we can't have that, can we?
 
 
 
 
 

 



 
 


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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2011, 11:56:10 PM »
Maybe they should have done it. Maybe they shouldn't. I don't keep track of much reality TV ( or as the primitives say "tee vee") so I can't form much of an opinion on this. I can however say that I have absolutely ZERO interest in seeing the photo, video, etc. My stomach turned as I read that. For that matter, I don't like seeing mummified fetuses either. AT ALL. I got in an argument outside at a planned parenthood I was walking past towards another destination a couple years ago, because someone was protesting the place by flashing it around I understand the Pro Choice/Pro Life arguments, but for God's sake, to haul that around with you? I almost got in a fight with a guy in the group of protesters over it. It seems a bit over the top to me.

I'm most certainly Conservative as you all well know. However, I tend to shy away from any Abortion discussion taking place, because it is, always has been, and probably always will be a fire that when lit, will rage for a long time, before it burns itself out.

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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 05:41:06 AM »
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The hands and feet would be the most "normal" looking parts of a fetus who was only 20 weeks along...

What a stupid lie.  I miscarried once at 12 weeks, the child was perfectly formed.  The only thing out of proportion was that his head was still a little large.  

At 20 weeks, the child is nearly far enough along to survive birth, and looks exactly like what he or she is...a CHILD.  Their pro-murder propaganda contains all sorts of outright lies like this.


The world's youngest surviving premature baby...was born in early November at 21 weeks and five days into the mother's pregnancy

And yet the DUmp thinks a 20 week child somehow doesn't look like a person.   :thatsright:  I guess misinformation and outright lies are what is necessary to keep the pro-abortion thought pattern. 

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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 06:57:26 AM »
Maybe they should have done it. Maybe they shouldn't. I don't keep track of much reality TV ( or as the primitives say "tee vee") so I can't form much of an opinion on this. I can however say that I have absolutely ZERO interest in seeing the photo, video, etc. My stomach turned as I read that. For that matter, I don't like seeing mummified fetuses either. AT ALL. I got in an argument outside at a planned parenthood I was walking past towards another destination a couple years ago, because someone was protesting the place by flashing it around I understand the Pro Choice/Pro Life arguments, but for God's sake, to haul that around with you? I almost got in a fight with a guy in the group of protesters over it. It seems a bit over the top to me.

I'm most certainly Conservative as you all well know. However, I tend to shy away from any Abortion discussion taking place, because it is, always has been, and probably always will be a fire that when lit, will rage for a long time, before it burns itself out.

To get to the nitty gritty of the topic, traditions range all over the world to in most cause become bazaar to outsiders.

Death is bound by tradition in all cultures.

Irish wakes that last 3 days  24 hours a day of family sitting before the casket passing around a bottle of good Whiskey.   WHY?????

I asked a Boston Irish Priest about this------He told me this tradition went back to the time of home funerals, not that long ago in history there were unfortunately many people thought to be dead that were buried alive.  SO the tradition long ago in Ireland and came to the US was to make sure the person in the casket was really dead.   The Whiskey was to insure that if the occupant sat up the onlookers would not die themselves of fright.

When my friend was married in the Greek Orthodox Church there were some strange customs I inquired about.   Bride and Groom had wreathes attached with a ribbon placed on their heads.   At the death or either of them the ribbon is cut and the deceased was buried with their wreath.  

When a Freemason dies his brothers come looking for him, When the deceased is a veteran, they get a military grave side service, TAPS are played. A family member is presented with a folded American Flag as a gift from a greatfull nation.

Tradition, those that give comfort to the grieving.   People of money at one time hired mourners to grieve at the cemetery, the more people they could afford to hire the bigger the wealth and reputation of the family.

In the South I was stunned to find a tradition I had never seen before, family members having a photograph taken of them at the head of the open casket, some photos I saw people would have photos taken of the young kids sitting on the foot of the open casket.

The tradition of bringing home a still born or miscarriage child for the family to hold before burial is new to me. First knee jerk reaction was WTF.     Then on second or third look I began to understand the need some family's have to do so.   Death is so powerfull an emotion for the survivors, the funeral is more for the sake of the survivors then the deceased.

It amazes me when people leave instructions for their burial unless it is simply where they wish to be laid at rest. All else should be decided by family and loved ones, the funeral is for THEIR benefit ----when dead, it is the living that should have the last say.  

When I pass if it is of benefit to family to have me salted down and used as lobster bait that is of advantage of my family--so be it.

My family has the tradition of placing photos of the family in the casket----Why, no one can tell me they just do it.

When dad died all of us in his blood line clipped a small lock of hair to place in his urn of ashes, WHY, darn if I know but the act made us feel better.  

So many traditions, by the libs thinking the unborn are not human, ----Careful there is dark humor ahead----
Why not just have the fetus stuffed and turned into a lamp ????   People do have a favorite small pet stuffed, Deer and Moose heads on the wall------- Ask a pro-abortion advocate if they would consider this and watch their head explode.
No difference from keeping the kids baby teeth, locks of hair.

BTW there is on line a company that will turn a small amount of a beloved ashes into jewelery, rings, necklaces, they mix the ash with some kind of resin to become a stone hard bangel.     Then there are company's that make a small bangle, the size of a Nitro holder and seal in the ashes of a loved one human or Animal.








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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 08:27:03 AM »
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While pregnant, his mother suffered a life-threatening infection with a pathogenic amoeba. Because of the drugs used to rouse her from a coma and to treat her dysentery, the fetus experienced a severe placental abruption. Doctors had expected a stillbirth and recommended an abortion to protect her life, although abortions are illegal in the {unnamed country due to ease of guess}, but she remained undaunted and refused having an abortion.

Guess who this turned out to be.
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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 09:13:39 AM »
Guess who this turned out to be.


Tebow.

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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 09:22:08 AM »

Tebow.

If it is, I'm going to say this--Tebow's going to get Denver to win the Super Bowl in the next three years.
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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 02:50:36 PM »
No, it's a foreign country.  Any other hints? 

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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 02:52:02 PM »
No, it's a foreign country.  Any other hints? 

Fwance France?
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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 02:58:20 PM »
Guess who this turned out to be.

Obama?






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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 03:02:53 PM »
Obama?

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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2011, 03:03:33 PM »
**** no.


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well ya said a foreign country  :panic:






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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2011, 03:06:36 PM »
Tebow's parents, Bob and Pamela, were working as Baptist missionaries in the Philippines when their son was born in the Makati Medical Center on Aug. 14, 1987. Pamela Tebow was advised to have an abortion after suffering from a pathogenic amoeba but decided to go through with the birth despite the risks of her son being stillborn.

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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2011, 03:07:26 PM »
well ya said a foreign country  :panic:

Tebow was born in the Philippines.

BTW, 1:25 in the last video I posted for Tebow's toughness.
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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2011, 11:07:33 AM »
It amazes me when people leave instructions for their burial unless it is simply where they wish to be laid at rest. All else should be decided by family and loved ones, the funeral is for THEIR benefit ----when dead, it is the living that should have the last say.

Have to disagree with you there. As a Catholic I believe that the funeral Mass (and others prayers for my soul) offered after my death will be of benefit to me (assuming that I'm in purgatory).

Also, the recently bereaved largely want to do what the deceased would like, their final act of love and devotion to a departed family member. When my grandfather died recently the very detailed instructions for his funeral made organisation incredibly easy...my mother and uncle would have found it very difficult to decide (and agree between them) what was best.

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reality people won't keep private? not just the Duggars - but all the folks living off realty TV money - Kardashians, etc... Births, miscarriages, illnesses... it's all put out there for reality tv ratings, fame and money.2

First of all I think the pictures are beautiful, and if anything it scares the heck out of you that people will look at those pics and think "hey, that really does look like a baby, I thought it was just a clump of cells".

Secondly, the pictures weren't released by the Duggar's, the family's kooky cousin Amy released the pics before the Duggar's released them, but don't let that get in the way of your stupid outrage.
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Re: Duggar's pictures of dead miscarried baby all over internet
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2011, 07:09:51 PM »
First of all I think the pictures are beautiful, and if anything it scares the heck out of you that people will look at those pics and think "hey, that really does look like a baby, I thought it was just a clump of cells".

Secondly, the pictures weren't released by the Duggar's, the family's kooky cousin Amy released the pics before the Duggar's released them, but don't let that get in the way of your stupid outrage.
That is what I understood as well.
I know that the legal age of viability is 20 weeks IE prior to 20 weeks it is considered a miscarriage and after a stillborn. Regardless of the age she still lost a child and my heart goes out to her and Jim Bob.
Now as far as the photos that is a normal request of parents that are going through that. Funeral photos are as old as photography itself. If anything those tiny hands show you just how fragile life is sometime.
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