Pedro Picasso undercut by own son

[franksolich]

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Oh my.

Atman (23,275 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

My son, whose first-ever vote was for Obama, now thinks Ron Paul looks better.

Wow. This is how badly Obama has undercut his most fervent supporters. My kid grew up under endless Bush wars and corruption and fear-mongering and a constantly nose-diving economy, and he really looked at Obama as a serious change agent. But that's gone now. He's posting on FB about military detention of US citizens, he's watching the banksters light their cigars with $100 bills while he faces down his student loans, he's horrified at the police-state tactics used to break up peaceful OWS protests, and he asks "how is this change?"

I remind him that the only reason he has health insurance right now is because President Obama made it so that he could be covered under my insurance. I remind him of the 400,000-750,000 jobs a month lost under Bush, and I remind him that it wasn't Obama that drained the treasury via tax cuts and TARP. I remind him that while I, too, am less than thrilled with the Obama administration overall, he should try to imagine what would happen if we gave everything back to the very people who created the mess he voted to change. How could that be better?

I'm not sure it's sinking in, though. He's still seeing the gross injustices of "the system," and not a whole lot of return on the investment of his vote. And he hears Ron Paul make a few very good points.

What he doesn't see (and I'm trying to help him out without coming across as Dad telling him how to vote) are the freight cars full of crazy-talk that make up the Ron Paul train. I gotta admit, he sounds good compared to the rest of the clowns in the car, but that's like saying syphillis is more pleasant than gonorrhea. It just makes me so sad to see a young person, involved and interested, so quickly turned off and disgusted.

I can't wait for this morning's Chris Hayes segment about Paul to make it to YouTube. He needs to see it.

Atman (23,275 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

4. I think Paul really does represent "change" to many.

You gotta admit, his views are like no other's in this race. Totally homogenous on the GOP side. Many aspects of the current administration appear to be just a continuation of the previous travesty. Ron Paul gets the sound bites out there that actually represent a different way. It's the stuff he espouses that doesn't make the news that is scary. He's no Republican. He's a whole different breed, and I think that is the attraction. He comes across to many as counter to the status quo, but I think there has been precious little analysis of what that actually means in terms of policy. Ron Paul is extreme as it gets, even if he does make a few salient points every now and then.

frazzled (6,820 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

9. No, I hate to say it ...

This doesn't show "how badly Obama has undercut his most fervent supporters." This shows how feeble the thinking of many young people is, and how easily they are influenced by the charlatans offering up blather (I speak here both of Ron Paul and of the hardcore anti-Obama ranters).

You're going to blame Obama because of the poor thought processes of your young adult son? (I assume he's around 21 or 22 now). That's really rich.

Atman (23,275 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

16. If you actually knew my son, you wouldn't be so insulting.

He's 23, earned his BS in two years (didn't start college until 20), and I think his thought processes are pretty damned good. But he's disillusioned, not a moron. Read some of the other posts in this thread and maybe you'll understand why he's not alone. Or maybe you won't...maybe your thought processes aren't so sharp.

Ikonoklast (15,369 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

13. Your son thinks political change is instantaneous, or should be.

He needs to understand thirty years of this country's right-ward lurching cannot be changed overnight, it will take a generation.

Paul would move this country directly to corporate control if he could, your civil liberties would be what thye corporations say they should be.

Smoke dope? Sure, go ahead, that will make up for breathing poisonous air and drinking tainted water, what a deal.

Atman (23,275 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

21. Ultimately, I think he'll come around.

BTW, it's a bit condescending to assume his views are about smoking dope and not, as I explained in my op, about what he sees as the failings of Obama to live up to the promises he made.

Atman This message was self-deleted by its author.

Then grouchy old Don brings some cheer to Atman:

NNN0LHI (63,601 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

67. Had a friend who went from a completely normal kid into a Jesus freak right before my eyes once

All it took was one bad acid trip about 40 years ago.

Last time I seen him about ten years ago he was walking down the street clutching a bible in front of him mumbling something to himself.

Hey, it happens.

Don

[franksolich]

Don't anybody forget miske's classic comment in the voting thread:

Atman - the perfect example of a 1%er pretending to be 'po, and fighting Da Man. but since he is a primitive, he gets a pass.

That says it all.

[jukin]

The constatly diving economy of 4.0% GDP growth and 4.5% unemployment under Bush?

Rewriting history again.

[GOBUCKS]

I'll bet career days were a real barrel of laughs when little Pedrito was coming up through elementary school.

His dad would come to class and explain the rewards of drawing empty speech bubbles.

[jukin]

I had insurance when I was 22. Of course, I had been working at the same company since 18 putting myself through school.

I saw that almost two million people were now insured that were not under 0care. This was the best success story the regime could come up with. They did not take into account any population growth at all.  The new 0statistics is just like the 0conmy, made up of lies.

[franksolich]

I'll bet career days were a real barrel of laughs when little Pedrito was coming up through elementary school.

His dad would come to class and explain the rewards of drawing empty speech bubbles.

Hmmm.

It looks like Pedro's down in Florida visiting his mother, probably picking up another trust fund check.

[zeitgeist]

 ... is an ungrateful child.

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Atman (23,279 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail


 My son, whose first-ever vote was for Obama, now thinks Ron Paul looks better.

Wow. This is how badly Obama has undercut his most fervent supporters. My kid grew up under endless Bush wars and corruption and fear-mongering and a constantly nose-diving economy, and he really looked at Obama as a serious change agent. But that's gone now. He's posting on FB about military detention of US citizens, he's watching the banksters light their cigars with $100 bills while he faces down his student loans, he's horrified at the police-state tactics used to break up peaceful OWS protests, and he asks "how is this change?"

I remind him that the only reason he has health insurance right now is because President Obama made it so that he could be covered under my insurance. I remind him of the 400,000-750,000 jobs a month lost under Bush, and I remind him that it wasn't Obama that drained the treasury via tax cuts and TARP. I remind him that while I, too, am less than thrilled with the Obama administration overall, he should try to imagine what would happen if we gave everything back to the very people who created the mess he voted to change. How could that be better?

I'm not sure it's sinking in, though. He's still seeing the gross injustices of "the system," and not a whole lot of return on the investment of his vote. And he hears Ron Paul make a few very good points.

What he doesn't see (and I'm trying to help him out without coming across as Dad telling him how to vote) are the freight cars full of crazy-talk that make up the Ron Paul train. I gotta admit, he sounds good compared to the rest of the clowns in the car, but that's like saying syphillis is more pleasant than gonorrhea. It just makes me so sad to see a young person, involved and interested, so quickly turned off and disgusted.

I can't wait for this morning's Chris Hayes segment about Paul to make it to YouTube. He needs to see it.25
 

And just because they are there:

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 Quantess (18,339 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

70. Way too harsh and insulting!

You should consider apologizing to Atman for suggesting his son must not be very bright.

None of the real-life people I have met who like Ron Paul "lack critical thinking skills". That is way out of line for you to suggest that. Ron Paul is the only candidate who doesn't represent more-of-the same, continuation of status quo.

You insult their reasoning because you don't understand the way they think.  
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ElboRuum (3,641 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

118. Interesting Statements

Not to play devil's advocate too hard but wisdom and intelligence aren't the same. Kids fall for all kinds of things, including the packaging of Ron Paul as "different" somehow. But a long look at his positions indicates that Paul is a "different kind of the same".

A person with critical thinking skills will see this, those who either don't have them or aren't exercising them may buy this salesmanship.

The "real-life" people I've met who like Ron Paul are either people who think neoconservatism hasn't gone far enough (if you can believe that) and should dismantle government entirely, or who aren't much for critical thinking. Most often, they're only thought is "gubmint is teh emeny" and Ron Paul represents this view to the greatest degree in the current crop of candidates.

Poor old King Atman invaded by the Paulista's (who probably infiltrated OWS like Sociologists did Holly-Weird).

boxman15 (435 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

27. I'm thinking your son is actually a libertarian.

I know a lot of young libertarians that voted for Obama because of his antiwar stance and his potentially pro-pot stance.

Ron Paul is more attractive to libertarians because, well, he is one. Obama's "big government" programs don't resonate well with libertarians, but Paul's economic policies do.

I'm not going to say your son is uneducated like some others are. I'm sure he's very smart. Young people today are largely liberal or libertarian. (Conservatism in its current state will die out soon.)

Obama had such good numbers among young people because libertarians voted for him too. He probably won't have that luxury this time. Your son is a good example of that.  

It is also quite possible Atman's son is a figment of his imagination.

If you are depressed about the Republican field's chances this is a must read thread.

[GOBUCKS]

It is also quite possible Atman's son is a figment of his imagination.

Bingo. The infinitely stupid Pedro Picasso has contracted ronbotulism.

He may or may not have a real son, but the political one in this story is a sockson.

[JakeStyle]

nadin had to start a whole new thread in order to comment on DUmbass Pedro Picassos' post.

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A little reality check to my friends... here

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Now you may say, that is ONE KID... true enough. But over the last year I have been talking to people in the streets... no, not just OWS before you ask. And I have found a pattern... people ARE disappointed... as in seriously disappointed. If I got a buck for every one of these stories, I'd be quite well off by now.

Oh and as an observer it is really NOT my role to correct people... in their views and feelings.

But the first step people should take is actually listening to this. The disappointment is real

Come voting time (I don't believe the GOP will allow Paul to even get close to any kind of nomination), a lot of people will stay home. If Paul runs for the Libertarian ticket (again) he will split the vote. It is a good question in what direction.

I know people do not want to hear it, or have snarky answers... but this is the current reality out there. And ignoring it will not make it go away. It will be part of the electoral dynamic, how much is a good question.

Astute people don't hide their heads in the sand, but on the contrary... try to find out why this is happening. And if it is was a minority... ok whatever... but the coming primaries will tell us just how how muh of a dynamic this will play.

Oh and save yourselves the Paul is crazee posts in response. He is 20% sane and 80% crazee, his son is worst.

She really ramps up the condescension as she educates the unwashed.

nadinbrzezinski
11. They are having a real world effect in the political speech in the country

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I just offer that as a piece of data. Last time the country fell into this situation the year was 1932.

In reality the Democrats took from the Socialist Party that little thing called social security for a reason. We are in a very similar situation. Don't worry, political and economic elites in 1931 also thought there was absolutely no problem with all them people in hoovervilles. History has echoes... you are living through one of them.

As I said, the polls are NOT taking this into account.

And the Dems (hard core partisans) ignore this at their political peril. Me, I will vote come november, but if you think I will do one iota for the democratic party beyond, well voting... this year... you'd be wrong. The energy that was there in 2008... is now in the streets.

That is the HISTORIAN in me talking and has little to do with whether I am covering OWS or not for a local news paper. Social Movements have a way of being a hard corrective in US History.

It's not a "local news paper" you obnoxious twit, it's an online, non-profit, liberal circle-jerk, kind of like DU.  It has a circulation of zero.
  

nadinbrzezinski
13. And you must hope it fails

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So far it has affected the political system much faster in the arc than any other previous movements. Partly that is the technology. Partly it is just the speed of this.

And yes I hope my worst fears do not happen, by the way. My worst fears are all but nice, and are what nightmares are made off.

Look at these photos... of actual occupiers...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100239059

They vote, and they, I am proof positive, will violate all you think an Occupier looks like.

Suffice it to say THAT is what a grassroot movement looks like. And that is what partisans (mind you on both sides, it is not just democrats...) are ignoring...

Oh and they are hoping it goes away.

[franksolich]

Whoa.

Wait.

What?

That is the HISTORIAN in me.....

I haven't seen the historian in the yenta yet; scrambled eggs aren't the same thing as history.

She's full of.....bupkes.

[diesel driver]

Whoa.

Wait.

What?

I haven't seen the historian in the yenta yet; scrambled eggs aren't the same thing as history.

She's full of.....bupkes.

 

Nad's resume' is getting longer by the day.

[GOBUCKS]

Nutcase nadin isn't getting much return on two cameras and four batteries.

[Karin]

I hit the link that Nadin gave.  It's a group of 17 women formed into a horseshoe, looking like they're singing Christmas carols.  Others are striding briskly by. 

[USA4ME]

Pedro's crotch-fruit at first supported his daddy's form of kook politician, and now he supports his own form of kook politician.  Either way, he supports a kook.

Nice going, Pedro.  You raised another piece of anti-American trash to carry on the family stupidity.

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[BlueStateSaint]

Nice going, Pedro.  You raised another piece of anti-American trash to carry on the family stupidity.

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Do DUmb****s ever raise anything else?

[zeitgeist]

Pedro's crotch-fruit at first supported his daddy's form of kook politician, and now he supports his own form of kook politician.  Either way, he supports a kook.
Nice going, Pedro.  You raised another piece of anti-American trash to carry on the family stupidity.

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And more's the pitty as they say.  What intrigued me about this topic was the total lack of DUmmies connecting with the fact that these same ute were the O'bumbler edge.  See what you get when you let a bunch of wet behind the ears eighteen year olds vote?  Talk about someone easily lead, I mean really.

But zeit, but zeit, they can go fight and die.  Ok, so let the ones no active duty vote ( and drink ).  Those who remain at home in the parents basement eating cheetos can wait until they are 21.

[GOBUCKS]

But zeit, but zeit, they can go fight and die.  Ok, so let the ones no active duty vote ( and drink ).  Those who remain at home in the parents basement eating cheetos can wait until they are 21.

Abso-freaking-lutely!

But in the democrat world, you don't need to be 21, you don't need to be a citizen, you don't have to be alive, you don't even have to exist.

The more incompetent, ignorant, and worthless a group of people is, the more valuable it is to democrat politicians.

[delilahmused]

It's going to be fun watching them get crushed in the next election. The midterms were absolute proof the the country is moving right because they want LESS government. The right allows for MORE independence which is actually more progressive using the true definition of the word.

Cindie

[Mike220]

2007: "The young support Obama. This shows how intelligent and discerning they are and proves they are the future of a more progressive, tolerant society."

2011: "The young aren't supporting Obama. This shows how feeble minded and unintelligent they are."

Man, it can be hard to keep up with DUmmie spin.